Donald Trump Wants to Send Americans to Torture Camps in El Salvador

00:00:00

Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Oh,
Nathan Brady: am
Mike Smith: I'm wrong.
Nathan Brady: going to put the headphones in. Uh, give me a one, two.
Mike Smith: Oh, one too. You meant for me the
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: guy.
Nathan Brady: wow. You're you're loud.
Mike Smith: Just leave it. We were fine the last episode.
Nathan Brady: I wasn't. But yeah, you're right. I
Mike Smith: No, you were fine. You came in a good volume last time.
Nathan Brady: I did.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: All right. It's just my AirPods that are high anyway. Okay. All right. We are good. Here we
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: go.
Mike Smith: here we go.
Nathan Brady: Hey everyone and welcome to another episode of the Blue Sedition podcast. I'm Nate Brady alongside my co-host this
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: guy.
Mike Smith: am Mike Smith. Everybody, welcome to the podcast. Great to be here.
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: Excited

00:01:11

Nathan Brady: is it
Mike Smith: to be
Nathan Brady: great?
Mike Smith: here.
Nathan Brady: Are you all you're excited always?
Mike Smith: Not not so much the country, just with the people on the
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: podcast.
Nathan Brady: you didn't
Mike Smith: Great.
Nathan Brady: mean here. Uh
Mike Smith: No, no, I
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: definitely did not
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: mean here.
Nathan Brady: meant boy. I wonder the Google searches. I mean, I know what my own Google history looks like. Um,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: but just like how to obtain visa in Sweden, you know, like I wonder I just, you know, I have to imagine. Um, I know for myself it's up three 400%. Uh, I bet those types of Google searches have skyrocketed, you know.
Mike Smith: Yeah. Like what what does it take to uh immigrate to a different country?
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Um,
Mike Smith: I don't know. I
Nathan Brady: it's
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: it's it's
Mike Smith: think that Go ahead.

00:01:56

Nathan Brady: easier uh for most other countries than it is in the United States. I'll tell you that. Um, so hey, that's that's nice.
Mike Smith: That's kind of interesting to
Nathan Brady: That's
Mike Smith: find out. I don't know anything about immigration policies of other countries. Um
Nathan Brady: yeah, there's there's a few countries that if you can show some lineage like you know in your history that you might you might be able to get uh permanent resident status pretty easily. Um and then there's some where obtaining a work visa is a lot easier than in the United States and then you can you know convert that to permanent residence after so many years. Um yeah,
Mike Smith: But if
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: can tell
Mike Smith: do
Nathan Brady: I've
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: been doing Yeah.
Mike Smith: hypothetically, I
Nathan Brady: Yes,
Mike Smith: go to
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Iceland
Nathan Brady: know people
Mike Smith: or
Nathan Brady: who have
Mike Smith: something,
Nathan Brady: done this.
Mike Smith: I go to

00:02:38

Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Sweden,
Nathan Brady: Yep.
Mike Smith: I go to
Nathan Brady: Sweden
Mike Smith: Italy,
Nathan Brady: is is
Mike Smith: wherever,
Nathan Brady: I have friends in Sweden. Yeah.
Mike Smith: I I'm on a work visa, I'm there legally, and I post
Nathan Brady: Oh boy, here
Mike Smith: something
Nathan Brady: it comes.
Mike Smith: like I
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: knew
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: I knew
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: this was
Mike Smith: just
Nathan Brady: coming.
Mike Smith: say something for instance where I don't
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: agree with the the the government in
Nathan Brady: sure.
Mike Smith: in that way. Are they
Nathan Brady: Are
Mike Smith: gonna deport
Nathan Brady: you going
Mike Smith: me
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: to
Nathan Brady: an
Mike Smith: El Salvador
Nathan Brady: El Salvadoran prison? Yeah. Okay. I knew that was coming. Um, no. I think uh well okay let's let's let's be clear I don't know that for sure okay but I I it is my understanding uh it is not as bad as it is here right now um

00:03:17

Mike Smith: seems
Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: like a
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: fair
Nathan Brady: guess
Mike Smith: blanket statement on just about
Nathan Brady: yeah
Mike Smith: anything.
Nathan Brady: yeah that is true so maybe we should start with that um
Mike Smith: Let's start with that. Let's
Nathan Brady: let's
Mike Smith: start
Nathan Brady: start
Mike Smith: with
Nathan Brady: with uh the DOJ uh refusing to uh follow a court order to return the the wrongly deported Kilmar Armando Ambrego Garcia. Um because uh
Mike Smith: vibes.
Nathan Brady: because why vibes? Because why? Why? Why can't they do it?
Mike Smith: Uh, they don't have a good answer, honestly.
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: Uh I I've been listening on court listener and just following along on what the the actual filings are and their position was basically one of look he's deport can we move on he's deported and the court's like no why can't you bring him back and they're just like we just can't we just can't and they
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: don't have a good

00:04:10

Nathan Brady: um
Mike Smith: answer.
Nathan Brady: you know, Trump met met with uh President b***** or whatever his uh whatever his
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: name
Mike Smith: his
Nathan Brady: is.
Mike Smith: name. That's
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: his
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: name.
Nathan Brady: think I'm pretty sure it's President
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: b*****
Mike Smith: his name.
Nathan Brady: of Yeah.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: of uh El Salvador. The coolest the uh self-proclaimed coolest dictator in the world. Um and of
Mike Smith: With
Nathan Brady: course
Mike Smith: a name like
Nathan Brady: journalists
Mike Smith: Bukaki, how could he not be?
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Of course. And uh journal journalists were asking, "Hey, uh you know, when are you going to return uh a Burggo Garcia?" Because you know, and then of course that the immediate framing from Trump is, well, he's a terrorist. I mean, why? Well, you know what's going to happen? And then Steven Miller gets up there, not you,

00:04:48

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you know, the alleged
Mike Smith: Nazi
Nathan Brady: Nazi
Mike Smith: Steven Miller.
Nathan Brady: Steven Miller. he gets up there and says, um, you know, if if we bring him home, we're just going to deport him again. You know, why
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: why do you want to keep doing that? You know, and then, of course, they asked uh the El Salvador and dictator um are you going to facilitate bringing um you know, sending ago Garcia back to the US? And he's like, no, that's why would I do that?
Mike Smith: No,
Nathan Brady: Uh he's
Mike Smith: his
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: positioning
Nathan Brady: terrorist.
Mike Smith: was just at the same Yeah, he was like, "Why would I try and smuggle a terrorist terrorist into
Nathan Brady: Terrorists
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: United States?"
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Um, so of
Mike Smith: First
Nathan Brady: course the
Mike Smith: of all,
Nathan Brady: framing
Mike Smith: no one has ever claimed he was a terrorist. They're just saying it tongue and cheek.

00:05:27

Mike Smith: Nobody
Nathan Brady: well
Mike Smith: has alleged in court that he was a terrorist.
Nathan Brady: so yes that there there so we have the timeline here uh Mike you found this this morning a really really great graphic let me give a shout out to the person who posted it so this is Aaron uh Rachel Melnik um on blue sky who posted this really cool uh graphic of the timeline so let's start um entry and early life so uh Garcia
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: flees El Salvador to the US at at 16 years of age. Okay, so he's been here for a long time after an M18 gang members extorted his family, threatened to kill him and and do bad things to his sisters if they didn't keep paying. Um, which is this is a well-known thing that these gangs do, right?
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: You you
Mike Smith: Extortion.
Nathan Brady: have to pay them for protection and if you don't pay them, you lose that protection um both from them and, you know, other people in the area. So it's not good.

00:06:21

Nathan Brady: Um so uh Kilmar is arrested. Um and so so he's here for eight years that has no issues in the United States for eight years until March 28th of 2019 where he's arrested outside of a Home Depot where I mean I'm in California. This has happened um you know all over. It's a very common site or at least it used to be. you you
Mike Smith: still
Nathan Brady: have um yeah you have people outside um looking for work and um you know people I mean the I I will say the people who have done landscaping for me I'm not checking their papers you know they
Mike Smith: right.
Nathan Brady: want to come
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: give me a good deal I'm going to pay them and they they do a great job you know
Mike Smith: They
Nathan Brady: what I
Mike Smith: do it on this day's work. Exactly.
Nathan Brady: what what do I care right so
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: he's arrested for that fine okay so because he's arrested for loitering outside of a Home Depot just looking for work.

00:07:14

Nathan Brady: Well, obviously he's an MS-13 gang member, right? And I don't know I don't know the differences between M18, MS-13, but the the favorite of the of the right is this is this MS-13 gang. Fine. Okay.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: So, so the claim in 2019 is, oh, he's a he's a gang member. He's an MS-13, you know, guy. Uh, we need to deport him. Right. Um, so let's continue the timeline here. So there's an investigation. Uh Kilmar's lawyers reach out to the PG uh PD to investigate these claims. They find out that one, police did not even file an incident report about the arrest at Home Depot. And two, the detective that filed uh that filled out the GFIS has been suspended for a quote unquote unknown reason. Interesting. Great. Um so later
Mike Smith: You know how
Nathan Brady: that
Mike Smith: you
Nathan Brady: year,
Mike Smith: get suspended and nobody knows how or why.
Nathan Brady: I think I think we know why.

00:08:08

Nathan Brady: uh August of 2019 at his final bond hearing, um ICE declines to offer any evidence of gang membership because of course they don't have any. Uh the IG the IG denies bond finding that the GFIS is sufficient for for whatever reason. And we have to so let's stop right here and remind
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: people because this is going to be confusing for people especially in the Abrao Garcia uh case uh because they are they are hearing oh no an immigration judge has said it's okay to to deport um a Brio Garcia. We have to remind people that there is a huge difference between the immigration courts, the appellet courts and these federal courts where your habius uh hearings are held etc. The the immigration courts are a extension of the executive branch. They're actually not part of the judicial branch that holds the executive um uh you
Mike Smith: account.
Nathan Brady: know yeah accountable.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um, so the the immigration judges are often they're hired by the executive branch and can be fired by the executive branch.

00:09:21

Nathan Brady: So if they don't carry out it's not a it's not a life uh you you
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: know role
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: like it is in as a federal judge, if they don't do exactly what uh is expected expected of the executive branch, they're just going to lose their jobs.
Mike Smith: If
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: they don't hit their quota,
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: then
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: they're going to get s*** canned.
Nathan Brady: so this idea that immigration judges are are, you know, finding things like this GFIS as as evidence of gang membership and approving um deportation. That's actually unfortunately very very normal. Okay.
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: it's and I just want to jump in there with saying it's it's more like because it's under the the purview of the executive, it's more like a court tribunal than it is an actual like court case. Uh
Nathan Brady: right,
Mike Smith: it's where
Nathan Brady: it's like
Mike Smith: members
Nathan Brady: traffic court. Basically,
Mike Smith: Yeah.

00:10:08

Mike Smith: It's traffic or you're not
Nathan Brady: it's
Mike Smith: going
Nathan Brady: traffic
Mike Smith: here to
Nathan Brady: court,
Mike Smith: sit in front of a judge. You're here in front of paid for jurists who are in many cases given instructions on how to find before the case starts.
Nathan Brady: right? Yeah. Exactly that. Um
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: obviously
Mike Smith: again, our our immigration system is this way by design. It's because they want it this way. They don't want
Nathan Brady: right
Mike Smith: it to be fair. They don't want you and me and and anybody listening here to end up on a jury where we're trying to decide whether this person is in the United States lawfully and whether they have any evidence to deport him.
Nathan Brady: exactly exactly. Um so the immigration judge of course as we've just alluded to rules that Kilmar is ineligible for asylum because he filed the application too late. Of course. Oh god. Uh, but the judge does grant withholding of removal, finding that it was more likely than not that he would be subject to persecution if he was deported to El Salvador, which is really interesting.

00:11:05

Nathan Brady: So, a removal order is issued, but a but with a restriction that one country he cannot be deported to is El Salvador.
Mike Smith: Right. This
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: is this is actually a common way that that you handle uh asylum seeking uh people who you actually go through the process and you don't want them to have uh asylum in your country. So you try and relocate them to a different country where the asylum will still be sort of upheld but not the country they're coming from obviously because that's
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: we saw that a lot uh with Cuba where we refuse to take in uh this is you know during the Chavez regime it's where we refuse to take in Cuban asylum seekers but we would send them to various South American countries as a proxy asylum holding.
Nathan Brady: Right. So,
Mike Smith: So they're like, "Don't
Nathan Brady: uh,
Mike Smith: send him back to where the gang violence was,
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: you can deport him elsewhere.
Nathan Brady: Um, okay.

00:12:04

Nathan Brady: So, we'll move on to the Board of Immigration decision. So, in December of 2019, Kilar appeals the bond decision to the Board of Immigration Appeals. The appeals board declines to find clear error in the immigration judge's decision to rely on the GFI do document. However, he is released anyway because he had won the withholding of removal. So great, he kind of escapes deportation here. I mean, um there wasn't any clear ruling like it it basically if if the government worked perfectly, which thankfully sometimes it does not. Um the judge basically said yes, he should be deported, but just somewhere other than El Salvador. And then there were some appeals and then it was like, okay, the judge didn't make any error, but you had won the withholding of removal. So now you're kind of in this limbo state and nobody
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: enforces
Mike Smith: You're basically you you were sitting there waiting for the government to decide. Notice the timeline, too. It's 2019
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: toward

00:13:02

Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: the end of Trump's first term, right? Is
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: that right? Yeah, that's right.
Nathan Brady: Um Yeah.
Mike Smith: Not the
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: end, but you know what
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: I'm saying.
Nathan Brady: but it's close. It's close.
Mike Smith: It's close.
Nathan Brady: So
Mike Smith: Actually, December. Yeah, that's a month away, right? Because in the January 2020 would be No,
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: it would
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: be
Nathan Brady: 20
Mike Smith: 2021.
Nathan Brady: 2021
Mike Smith: 2020.
Nathan Brady: is the Yeah.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. to
Mike Smith: Uh anyway,
Nathan Brady: the election
Mike Smith: so but
Nathan Brady: 2020,
Mike Smith: he has more pressing matters. He he
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: hadn't been going hard and
Nathan Brady: He
Mike Smith: fast
Nathan Brady: hadn't he hadn't
Mike Smith: immigration.
Nathan Brady: been disappearing uh too many people yet, right? That
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: wasn't

00:13:26

Mike Smith: so
Nathan Brady: a big thing
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: for him
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: yet.
Mike Smith: it's understandable in this kind of case where it's basically like, okay, government, you can deport him, but not to El Salvador. Figure it out. And the government's like, well, where do we send him? And then nobody answers.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: They're like, you know what? I'm busy. I'm gonna go work on this other thing.
Nathan Brady: Right. So um 2019 to 2025. Now this is the next part of this graphic is Kilmar lives just a normal life in Maryland with his US citizen wife. They are married. He is married to a US citizen. They have a biological son and two stepchildren. He has a work permit. He's a job as a sheet metal worker. He's in a union. He's raising a family in a DC suburb. This guy is doing literally everything right. And and of course, remember we're talking about bringing like steel manufacturing and stuff back

00:14:18

Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: to the United
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: States.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: These are the type of people
Mike Smith: These are the
Nathan Brady: that
Mike Smith: guys
Nathan Brady: you need in the country doing those jobs, right? Okay. He's not in any trouble obviously because he's here for six years flying under the radar, not doing anything wrong. um he doesn't get into any trouble and then suddenly Trump's back in office on March 12th, 2025. ICE comes to his home, arrests him in front of his children. He's then transferred to Texas um where thanks to a quote unquote administrative error, he is put on a plane to El Salvador and sent to uh the the torture camps in El Salvador.
Mike Smith: The goolog
Nathan Brady: So that's the that's the timeline. Um, and that brings us to where we are now. I think actually in in exactly 2 minutes from when we're recording this podcast there.
Mike Smith: we may have some updating news.
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: we we're going to we're keeping an eye on it as we're going to be talking about other things for the next hour.

00:15:17

Nathan Brady: Uh, but there is a another uh federal um hearing regarding this. Um, so we will we'll share we'll share some updates as they as they come in.
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Of
Mike Smith: I'm seeing
Nathan Brady: course,
Mike Smith: some
Nathan Brady: there's
Mike Smith: live updates start just saying that that they're being ushered in. So, they're going to have to they're going to start the hearing soon, it seems.
Nathan Brady: Okay, great. Um, I'm sure the government will have no additional information to file. They'll uh they'll probably piggyback off what Trump said in the Oval Office with his meeting with b*****, who I'm going to keep calling him
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: that.
Mike Smith: they they
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: have no information. If they had any information and they wanted to make this a court case about the facts, they wanted to say actually he is a gang member or affiliate or whatever and we want to deport him and we have just cause for that. Here's the evidence we have. Then they could have gotten this thrown out a week ago.

00:16:04

Nathan Brady: Right,
Mike Smith: As soon
Nathan Brady: right,
Mike Smith: as it showed up, they were like, "Here's
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: our," you know, because what national security implications are there by saying, "This guy's a terrorist and we're not going to show you evidence." versus, "This guy's a terrorist and we're going to show you evidence."
Nathan Brady: Right. Right.
Mike Smith: Are they planning
Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: something that's going to happen soon that like they need to know about?
Nathan Brady: won't get
Mike Smith: They're not
Nathan Brady: don't
Mike Smith: alleging
Nathan Brady: give them any
Mike Smith: that.
Nathan Brady: idea. They're they're not smart enough to come up with
Mike Smith: No.
Nathan Brady: that on their own, so don't put that out into the Don't give them any ideas. Okay. Um,
Mike Smith: No.
Nathan Brady: but I want to talk for a second about what actually is the best case scenario here. Like if we're being if we're being realistic, I think the best case scenario, well, first of all, is that ago is still alive, which, you know, I don't

00:16:40

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: think even if his his lawyers have gotten proof of life yet, just uh uh oh, sure, he's alive from the administration.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: Yeah. You have no assurances. Nobody
Nathan Brady: yeah.
Mike Smith: is taking any pictures of anybody. I'm sure that you don't you're not afforded the same uh uh facilities and and and and or faculties as you would if you were in like say a prison system in the United States where you get some amount to like make phone calls with your family or write letters or any of these things.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: This is a foreign goolog that we know nothing about and
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: they're sending people there without due process. And so, you know, we we we do have to wonder like, well, what happens if you accidentally send an American there? This guy appeared to have done no wrong, and you guys don't seem to care about it. If you send an American there, will you care? Are

00:17:31

Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: you just going to leave them in the goolog to die? And I have a follow-up question to that that I think is even more pressing. They have broken no laws. Why are we deporting them to a country and then they go into a prison?
Nathan Brady: like the work the maximum like like with other gang members with Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um
Mike Smith: Let's let's put this into different terms. Let's say that you're the UK, right? And you want to deport an American to
Nathan Brady: Uhhuh.
Mike Smith: America because you're like, "They're
Nathan Brady: Yep.
Mike Smith: here illegally. We're getting rid. We're deporting them." And
Nathan Brady: Sure.
Mike Smith: you send them back to America. Do they go to prison in America or do we just let them out because we're like, "We haven't broken any laws." So, okay. Because I don't I don't see how we go. we're okay with. Yeah, we're going to put them in prison in this other country.

00:18:17

Mike Smith: And you go, but why prison? They've broken no laws.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Like, okay.
Mike Smith: You're just
Nathan Brady: Are
Mike Smith: imprisoning
Nathan Brady: they
Mike Smith: people. You're
Nathan Brady: there?
Mike Smith: why
Nathan Brady: Well, the the argument of I will just play devil's advocate here and give you the argument from the Trump administration is that well, they've broken a major law in come in sneaking into the United States illegally, right? So that's that that in the in the Trump administration's eyes makes them an illegal criminal when we know it's a civil matter. They're like
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: if they if we
Mike Smith: You
Nathan Brady: send
Mike Smith: should
Nathan Brady: them
Mike Smith: never
Nathan Brady: back home,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: they're
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: just a sit.
Mike Smith: Jailing
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: is ne not the answer here.
Nathan Brady: Like if you if you overstay your your visa or let's say you're here on a on a trip and you have seven you have seven days and your flight is delayed, you know, and then you're here an extra day and you're grabbing coffee at the Starbucks at the, you know, outside the airport before you come back in to catch your flight back to Brazil or wherever you're

00:19:10

Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: from.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: Does that mean that if we catch you and we arrest you that now you're going to go back to Brazil and what you're a life it's a life sentence
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: for
Mike Smith: what I'm asking. Right. Like
Nathan Brady: what?
Mike Smith: there's
Nathan Brady: What?
Mike Smith: been a couple of cases where we have we stupid Trump administration and ICE
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: officials
Nathan Brady: Don't say
Mike Smith: have
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: Yeah. No, I'm not B. I'm sorry. Uh
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: it's
Mike Smith: they've
Nathan Brady: our
Mike Smith: they've detained illegally, it seems, like grad students who are here on student visas, but they're planning to deport them in cases where they're not like they're deporting them to El Salvador. You're like, I'm not from there. Why are you sending me there? That's not how deportation should work. And they're like, oh, I can't hear you. You're on the plane headed to El Salvador and we can't do anything about it now.

00:19:56

Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: Um, we're getting we're getting information in. Um, by the way, if you don't follow Anna Bower, um,
Mike Smith: what are you doing?
Nathan Brady: she she's
Mike Smith: What are
Nathan Brady: fantastic.
Mike Smith: you doing?
Nathan Brady: So, we're getting uh
Mike Smith: Follow
Nathan Brady: information
Mike Smith: follow
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: our
Nathan Brady: here.
Mike Smith: news list. We have a news sources list that we share on Blue Sky. We follow a lot of people like this that you can discover and I think that it's worthwhile. Follow the follow the news
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: sources
Nathan Brady: we have
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: this
Mike Smith: we have
Nathan Brady: new
Mike Smith: published
Nathan Brady: sources list.
Mike Smith: and and she's in it.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Um, we're probably, you know, I think it might be good at some point to maybe separate this out into like a law uh because like we have our news sources, which is journalists and independent journalists that we really like
Mike Smith: Yeah.

00:20:29

Nathan Brady: and that we're we're adding to that uh every day. I think maybe also uh create like a like a a law uh you know one where there's a bunch of this kind of stuff where it's
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: it's either lawyers or reporters who are really deep in the law and have a good understanding of of the law that and are are following those those types of things. Um but anyway, the update here is that of course the government said and this is exactly what I basically said Steven Miller said um earlier this week. They say if he was presented at a port of entry in the US, if a breako Garcia was presented that DHS would remove him to a third country or terminate his with withholding of removal because of his membership, of course, again, without any evidence in MS-13 and remove him back to Elsa. So, it's like, okay, fine. you want you I what they're basically saying is all right courts you want us to listen to you regarding this case we're just going to restart the process all over again go ahead and present him to to the US go ahead and bring him back home and we're going to just deport him again and we're going to

00:21:37

Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: start
Mike Smith: they
Nathan Brady: this
Mike Smith: should
Nathan Brady: process
Mike Smith: they
Nathan Brady: all
Mike Smith: should
Nathan Brady: over again
Mike Smith: do that. They should
Nathan Brady: well
Mike Smith: definitely do that. And then they should immediately upon his, you know, coming return issue a court order staying that deportation following more
Nathan Brady: well you
Mike Smith: be
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: like, "Okay,
Nathan Brady: hope That's
Mike Smith: we got him back and now we're going to actually have the facts of it. Why do you think he's MS-13?" like you
Nathan Brady: Squirtling.
Mike Smith: shouldn't be allowed to deport people for no reason. Yes, it
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: is
Nathan Brady: love
Mike Smith: definitely contempt time.
Nathan Brady: I love this this uh username. Uh Squirtling asks, "Is it contempt time yet?" And it is so far beyond contempt time. Um but we'll see. This So this was 10 minutes ago. Um I
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: don't know if this was presented um you know before the hearing today that was supposed to start in just a few minutes.

00:22:21

Nathan Brady: So we'll get more information on that um as it comes in. Let's continue
Mike Smith: interesting
Nathan Brady: on
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: there I was just
Nathan Brady: Go
Mike Smith: going to
Nathan Brady: ahead.
Mike Smith: say it's interesting that the DHS would enter this into the docket as anything because it's a hypothetical which isn't usually something you would like put into a quarter.
Nathan Brady: It's so st every everybody. This is
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: this whole thing is so stupid. I don't even know what to,
Mike Smith: Very
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: slightly
Nathan Brady: know.
Mike Smith: bizarre.
Nathan Brady: Um, all right, let's go to our next story. This is something I think that, um, I think Mike, you said you've wanted to do. Um, bomb Mexico. Is that is that something you've talked about on
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: the bottom?
Mike Smith: you would never have said that. I think
Nathan Brady: Okay,
Mike Smith: that we talked about actually I did call this uh I think in December where I was saying

00:23:06

Nathan Brady: that sounds right.
Mike Smith: because we were talking about how he was going to
Nathan Brady: Sure.
Mike Smith: actually win over public opinion on this immigration thing which he's his admin is completely bungling right now outside of his MAGA folk
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: and I had pointed out that the alien enemies act really calls that you need to be at war with a country not an ideology or a group that is unaffiliated with the you know the running of a country. Like you can't say I'm going to war with MS-13 because no court will hold that up. Like that's not a sovereign nation. It doesn't apply. And so what I had speculated earlier and what appears to be something that he's toying with is the idea of declaring war on Mexico in some fashion.
Nathan Brady: Well, this wasn't okay. All right. All right. Well, st this
Mike Smith: That
Nathan Brady: is a
Mike Smith: if you're
Nathan Brady: little
Mike Smith: bombing Mexico, then you're declaring war on Mexico.
Nathan Brady: Okay. So, so though I agree, especially if you're doing it unilaterally, which is what this is, he is saying that he's he wants to go in to Mexico and

00:24:04

Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: if if Mexico isn't going to solve the gang problem, the drug problem, the whatever that they're going to go in and drone strike these
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: gangs, locate these people unilaterally. So, without Mexico's help, I mean, that's me. Bombing bombing in that's a declaration of war, right?
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: That's that's
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: what
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: I'm saying
Nathan Brady: has to
Mike Smith: is
Nathan Brady: be
Mike Smith: that's him declaring war on on Mexico
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: and and he and his ilk will claim that they they aren't and any response to it from Mexico will be a declaration of war from Mexico and then they can invoke the enemy uh the American enemies act
Nathan Brady: Right. Just just just
Mike Smith: as well as just go to war with Mexico which is something that he wants because he's deeply racist. Imagine the same story that we covered a few minutes ago where we've deported a man who is lawfully seeking asylum in the United States without due process and instead you replace the word deporting with drone strike because that's what they're proposing here.

00:25:00

Mike Smith: We are not giving anybody any court cases or anything. We're just alleging that they're terrorists and then we're going to drone strike them. Now admittedly we've been doing this for years in the Middle East so I'm not saying
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: one is worse
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: than
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: the other. This is always terrible,
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: but it should speak as it hits closer to home that you're bombing your neighbors and you're expecting everyone to take your word for it that you're getting the right people. And you're going to take the word of this admin over anything.
Nathan Brady: I mean, we we know that Americans and their allies, like Israel, for example, is really good at bombing uh other areas and only getting exactly who they're targeting and
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: not killing
Mike Smith: Surgical
Nathan Brady: tons
Mike Smith: strikes.
Nathan Brady: and tons of of civilians, right?
Mike Smith: Definitely not 50,000 children or anything like that
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean, it's only a matter of time before something like this does happen and they the the United States is bombing American citizens in other countries.

00:25:54

Nathan Brady: Like, they're killing they're killing tourists.
Mike Smith: or in this country. Like I don't understand
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: the difference between this and then floating the same idea with like inner cities in New York and California
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: or Los Angeles
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: and saying
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: they're MS-13. We had to demolish this building.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Where your your friends, your cousin, your whatever
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: lives there and you
Mike Smith: And then
Nathan Brady: um
Mike Smith: you know you're going to war with uh the United States the way we are in the United States. It's
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: not
Nathan Brady: mean
Mike Smith: good.
Nathan Brady: I have a
Mike Smith: I mean I I'm hoping that even in this I don't think he has anybody that that holds him back anymore. But I'm hoping somebody looked at him and they said this is a really stupid idea.
Nathan Brady: I haven't heard I'll I'll at least say I haven't heard much about this um beyond

00:26:42

Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: when
Mike Smith: one.
Nathan Brady: when he said it.
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Yeah. This this
Mike Smith: this one. Uh, spoken anamony.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Anonymity,
Nathan Brady: So that's good.
Mike Smith: excuse me.
Nathan Brady: An anonymity an Yeah, you got it right. Um, so yeah, I don't I don't have much else to say about this. I'm just checking in, reading some notes here um on the Garcia case to see if we have anything that we can we can
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: talk about on this. And um here we'll go back to Anna Bowers. She's got a thread happening now. Uh so let's see. We're following along. The hearing is underway. Jerinsine is here from the for the Justice Department. Uh let's see. The plaintiff has asked for additional relief, discovery, requests his return, etc. Plaintiff council says Skolas ruled that the government must facilitate his release. We know that from custody in El Salvador, but there's no evidence of anything the government has done to facilitate his return.

00:27:35

Nathan Brady: The government routinely requests return of people wrongly removed, but no evidence that they've done that, plaintiff council says. Um, yep. Okay. So, that's where we are right now. That was 42 seconds ago. So we are
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: following
Mike Smith: mean
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: that makes
Nathan Brady: live.
Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. They're they're they're doing the right thing and at least uh uh plaintiffs doing the right thing and pointing out that the government is not acting in good faith in any of these ways. In fact, they filed a a brief either late last night or early this morning. I don't really know the difference. Saying like, "Well, the government's throwing their hands up going like, "Well, what can we do? How could we do anything?" And then they they filed a brief that just says, "You could ask the El Salvador and government to return him and see what happens. Offer up a plane and see if they'll be amicable to that." But

00:28:25

Mike Smith: you haven't
Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: even done that.
Nathan Brady: they haven't done that, but we are but but they can say, well, he was asked in literally in the White House and uh you know, Al Salvador and presence said no. Um he's not going to smuggle a a terrorist back to the United States even though the United States is asking for him back. So, what
Mike Smith: That was
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: a
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: that was a reporter.
Nathan Brady: sure.
Mike Smith: That wasn't the United States government asking that.
Nathan Brady: Okay,
Mike Smith: If the
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: United
Nathan Brady: fair,
Mike Smith: States government makes an official request on paper signed by the president that says, "Can you return this person to us?" And
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: what's he going to do? He's going to say no.
Nathan Brady: I mean, you you'd So, I don't really understand the agreement even that the United States has with El Salvador for this, but you would think that it's a two-way agreement, right?

00:29:11

Nathan Brady: That United
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: States government is paying money to uh keep that prison open or help fund that prison. So there is obviously
Mike Smith: Locks. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: and and of course b***** and uh other officials in the United States are pretty close. Rubio has already been there several times. They've communicated. He's visiting the White House. They have f a great relationship. So,
Mike Smith: Yeah. Oh,
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: yeah.
Nathan Brady: know,
Mike Smith: Just great.
Nathan Brady: yeah, if
Mike Smith: Just
Nathan Brady: you wanted that relationship to continue, if the government, if the US government is asking um you to return somebody that they sent there on on, you know, upon error, you would better do it. Now, I would say as a federal judge, if you cannot make this happen, then I have to underscore what would happen if a an American citizen was accidentally sent there. And because you're showing that you cannot facilitate the return once the once uh they're out of your hands, then we have to terminate this whole relationship with El Salvador.

00:30:13

Nathan Brady: And I I mean that's what I want to see come out of this the these cases.
Mike Smith: Yeah, I I don't know. Um, obviously this isn't an Americanrun, you know, institution. So, what like it seems like we should have been uh talking about this much before it got underway, but it should have
Nathan Brady: Sure.
Mike Smith: been why do you think it's appropriate for El Salvador to jail people from
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: America without due process? And probably should have stopped there.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Now that we're here, I I I have to admit the government throwing their hands up and saying, "Well, what can you do? We are allowed to get to here." is a dumb but effective argument, right?
Nathan Brady: Uh, I
Mike Smith: It's it's
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: like it's I I just it's I don't I don't like to parallel it this way, but I'm thinking like, you know, if my if my wife catches my son and he's like clearly eating like an ice cream or something he wasn't supposed to have.

00:31:15

Mike Smith: And then he responds, "Well, well, dad told me I could do it. What do you want me to do now? I can't do anything about this." You know what I mean? like but but in this case there I mean unless you know the worst case scenario has happened then we sort of expect that that he's alive in this in this gool log and could be returned if anybody wanted that to happen. So where are you government?
Nathan Brady: Um and so you know there's so many there's so many people we have to talk about Mahmud Khalil we have to talk about um
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Resa um we have Kilmar to talk about there was actually you know another and there's several other people right but there's other kind of high-profile case, which I don't I don't think we even had room to talk about today, but I want to bring it up anyway, is the
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: uh um and I'm going to butcher his name uh because
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: I haven't I've only kept reading it and I haven't heard it.

00:32:13

Nathan Brady: Um but it's Mosen Mad Madawi. Um
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: and that's the that's the uh young kid who was who did the 60 Minutes interview. Um you know, was it last year or the year before? He's the He's the kid that was the um uh Palestinian student who I believe he co-founded or he founded like the uh the a Palestinian group at Colombia. Um
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: and he was arrested yesterday or the day before
Mike Smith: I think it was
Nathan Brady: at
Mike Smith: yesterday.
Nathan Brady: his appointment to become an
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: American citizen. At his appointment,
Mike Smith: Uh, actually, no. No, it it wasn't that. Um,
Nathan Brady: it wasn't
Mike Smith: no. So, the story goes a little differently than that.
Nathan Brady: Okay. Okay.
Mike Smith: he had
Nathan Brady: Fill
Mike Smith: been
Nathan Brady: me in.
Mike Smith: undergoing the process of uh immigrating legally
Nathan Brady: Mhm.
Mike Smith: and becoming an American citizen.
Nathan Brady: Mhm.
Mike Smith: And he got a call from DHS and I don't know if he was led to believe, but he believed that this was going to be that meeting that you're talking about.

00:33:15

Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: And then when he got there, he was surprised to find out that he was going to be detained
Nathan Brady: I see.
Mike Smith: for
Nathan Brady: So
Mike Smith: deportation.
Nathan Brady: So
Mike Smith: But
Nathan Brady: they
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: lured
Mike Smith: don't
Nathan Brady: him.
Mike Smith: know
Nathan Brady: They
Mike Smith: I don't
Nathan Brady: lured
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: him
Mike Smith: don't
Nathan Brady: in.
Mike Smith: know if they catfished him. Yeah. I don't know if that was a lure
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: or
Nathan Brady: Jesus
Mike Smith: if he
Nathan Brady: Christ,
Mike Smith: simply misunderstood
Nathan Brady: man. That's
Mike Smith: it. Um, but apparently, no, it was never uh from the reporting I've seen was that that they didn't uh he or he thought that, but it may have been mistaken that that he thought that.
Nathan Brady: Wow.
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: mean, I'm happy to to be be wrong on this.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. So he he's a green card holder of 10 years.

00:33:54

Nathan Brady: Um now this article calls him a leader of the protests at Colombia last year where students called for the school to divest from companies that benefit from Israel's policies and occupied Palest Palestinian territories. If you've watched the 60 Minutes interview with him, I watched the 60 Minutes interview.
Mike Smith: Mhm.
Nathan Brady: Um he he he states, in fact, let me play it here. Um I think I don't think it's a long clip, so let me play
Nathan Brady's Presentation: What
Nathan Brady: it.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: was your initial reaction when you heard about the Hamas attack on October 7th? I could not believe what my eyes were seeing where I see Hamas members getting into settlements and so on. But also the first moment I saw that I put my hand on my heart and I started praying knowing that there will be a huge level of revenge from the Israelis and I was praying that this will not be the result because it would be disastrous. The night of the rally, I believe someone in the crowd said something very anti-Jewish.

00:35:07

Nathan Brady's Presentation: Not just anti-Israeli, but anti-Jewish. Yes. This was a a walk out on on November 9th and a a a person who's not affiliated with Colombia, we've never seen him, we don't know who is this guy, comes down of down the stairs. yelling death to Jews. I was shocked and I walked directly to the person and I told him you don't represent us because this is not something that we agree with and directly what I've done I took the megaphone and I gave a speech and I said we here are conscious educated students and we know how to separate right from wrong and what this guy has said is wrong. What this guy has said is clearly anti-semitic against Jews and
Nathan Brady: And I mean that's that's the kind of people that we're deporting and we're deporting them because of agitators and we're calling these people I mean come on.
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: Does it
Mike Smith: you
Nathan Brady: get
Mike Smith: you you
Nathan Brady: does it
Mike Smith: heard it right here.

00:36:24

Mike Smith: Um Mosen Madawi is clearly anti-Semitic. That's that's the
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: only takeaway from this video,
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: Obviously, right? Like, like, please don't kill innocent Palestinians. We're standing here with our Jewish brothers and sisters. We are coming together to find a way to stop the violence and
Mike Smith: right in in the right way. I mean, America
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: is
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: founded
Nathan Brady: right way
Mike Smith: on on free speech and the right to to um uh gather in public in this way and protest what you perceive to be as uh you know, societal wrongs, right? That's the way to do it in a nonviolent way. Non-hate,
Nathan Brady: right
Mike Smith: nonviolent. Very easy.
Nathan Brady: now. Now, I just want to point out, speaking of nonviolent, he stepped away from political activism in March of last year in 2024. Um because he
Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: first
Mike Smith: is
Nathan Brady: he was
Mike Smith: before

00:37:16

Nathan Brady: concerned. Yeah, this
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: is
Mike Smith: big Colombia protest
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: where
Nathan Brady: no, no. He No, that was just after I think.
Mike Smith: Oh, okay. Sorry.
Nathan Brady: Yeah, it was just after um he stepped away and citing concerns about his immigration status, but also he's a practicing Buddhist. He's practicing. He emphasizes nonviolence and empathy. That's what he stands for. And he
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: was
Mike Smith: didn't
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: know
Nathan Brady: leader.
Mike Smith: that.
Nathan Brady: He's a practicing Buddhist. I mean, that doesn't get any more ridiculous than this.
Mike Smith: Uh
Nathan Brady: These are not
Mike Smith: they're
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: people.
Mike Smith: first tenant is that of pacifism. You're like Okay,
Nathan Brady: I mean
Mike Smith: your guys's
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: case here is really badl looking.
Nathan Brady: it's it
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: doesn't
Mike Smith: will
Nathan Brady: get
Mike Smith: say

00:38:03

Nathan Brady: any Go
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: ahead.
Mike Smith: was just
Nathan Brady: Go
Mike Smith: going
Nathan Brady: ahead.
Mike Smith: to point out that further down in this article, it does seem to to to go into the notion of the the the trapping that you're talking about. So, um maybe I maybe I did have that wrong. It was all coming in kind of scarce and early at the time.
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: And I was watching video of him uh being arrested and and there was a lot of different stories going on. This common
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: dream seems to think that that he probably was sort of bait and switched into a trap.
Nathan Brady: Jeez, man. It's unbelievable.
Mike Smith: They even go so far as to calling him being abducted, which I think is appropriate language here. That's what
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: that's what
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: these
Nathan Brady: mean, let's
Mike Smith: have
Nathan Brady: let's
Mike Smith: that's what these have been is, you know, plain clothes abductions of of people here legally.

00:38:49

Nathan Brady: you you make a great point and I I want to I want to call out basically every major newspaper. Um because
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: of course they're being run by people who are sucking the teeth of Donald Trump right now. Um but you know, Common Dreams and places like this, they'll put they'll make the right headlines. But if
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you go to the New York Times or something like that or WaPo and you look at the headline, it's oh, you know, Trump administration cracks down on foreign students involved in whatever. It's not.
Mike Smith: or
Nathan Brady: No, they're being abducted.
Mike Smith: makes
Nathan Brady: They're
Mike Smith: questionable
Nathan Brady: being
Mike Smith: uh arrest, you know, dubious legality, not sure, unclear, etc.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I
Mike Smith: They
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: refused they just refused to take a stance on anything that seems so blatant to your average person. I think that that's that's really the the the takeaway here is that so they they don't think much of their readers.

00:39:37

Mike Smith: But like if you tell this story and you actually get someone who disagrees with us, say we get somebody who thinks that all of Palestine and all Palestinians are, you know, Hamas adjacent and are either terrorists or near terrorists and you show them this, you can see, you can hear empathy and understanding and caring for other people.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: And you can you can get people to understand this position of like he was abducted by not police but ICE agents who are not part of any
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: government efficiency that
Nathan Brady: So, it kind of begs the question of like the endgame here really doesn't make much sense to me as as many things in the Trump administration does, right? But
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: if if I'm the Trump administration, right, what is my It sounds like what I'm doing is I'm just trying to get rid of dissenting voices. Okay, smart
Mike Smith: For sure.
Nathan Brady: dissenting voices. But all that seems to be happening is that more people are noticing the atrocities that are going on and it's just calling more attention to it.

00:40:40

Mike Smith: Yeah. And you know, there's Okay, I I I want to step aside for a second. We'll get to the endgame in a minute, but I
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: want to point out that that you're right. And I think that in Republican le uh executives before they would have known beforeh because they can see a few moves down down the line, right? And they would say can't really do it like this because then people will point out all of the terrible things that I'm doing and that will sway public interest against me on this particular issue. I will have done everything the wrong way and so I simply won't do it. Trump's more problematic because he doesn't give a f*** what you think about it. And he's been very clear about that for the last, you know, n years.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: So when you point out that he is abducting political dissenters who have committed no crimes and he's deporting them to gool logs run by foreign countries by dictators with no judicial med remediation to that like if he does something wrong he's saying I don't give a s*** I'm going to keep doing it.

00:41:49

Mike Smith: We've got a problem. We've got a constitutional crisis on our hands. It's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: not coming. It's here.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I want people to stop saying, you know, is this a constitutional crisis or what?
Mike Smith: They
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: keep
Nathan Brady: mean, I
Mike Smith: towing
Nathan Brady: posted that
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: on
Mike Smith: line.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: They keep
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: towing
Nathan Brady: it's
Mike Smith: the line. Especially the newspapers. The newspapers
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: and and online and like you said, Wapo and that they say, you know, it could be a it could it could lead up to a potential constitutional crisis. It may in the future. You you just keep watching. It might be a problem. But I'm I'm sorry, friends. We're there. We are here right now. They are arguing
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: and we are reloading the feed right now in a court case where the Supreme Court has ordered the return of a person, you

00:42:29

Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: know,
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: deported
Nathan Brady: want to I'm
Mike Smith: illegally.
Nathan Brady: actually want to get I want to get back to that in one second because there there are happenings going on right now that we
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: will talk about. Um, this would have made for a great live show, everybody. Sorry about that.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: This is
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: the recorded pod. We are talking about live shows coming soon. I just want to give one update on this case. Um the one that we're talking about right now with Madawi is
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: um the the judge in Vermont issued a a TTRO saying that um you know he can't be he can't be transferred out of state. He's got to stay in Vermont. Um so
Mike Smith: Well, I mean,
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: they they've learned from the previous cases where they're like, "Oh, the ICE agents are going to act fast and lose because they know that if they can get them to Texas or Louisiana or wherever that

00:43:09

Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: they can do whatever they want then because they're
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: going to get a judge down there to just not agree to a TTRO, they don't have to do any due process and they can kick them out." And then now we're arguing you don't even have to bring him back when the Supreme Court tells you unanimously that you must.
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: Unbelievable.
Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: I want to go back. I want to circle back to you. I want to talk about his endgame.
Nathan Brady: okay.
Mike Smith: What is his endgame? You sounded like you you were you had a a nugget in there that you just you had to, you know,
Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: work
Nathan Brady: no.
Mike Smith: on,
Nathan Brady: I mean, I think we know what it is, right? Because you're seeing it currently right now. How
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: many um protests are you seeing on college campuses right now? Not a lot.
Mike Smith: Now, I'm not seeing a lot, but

00:43:50

Nathan Brady: It's pretty it's it's getting pretty quiet out there. Um
Mike Smith: okay.
Nathan Brady: and now not in a lot of other places. I mean, you saw the you saw the protest going on at Trump Tower uh a couple weeks ago um for Passover. You see, uh Jewish people, you know, basically saying, "Stop doing it this in our name." you know, stop, you know, they're they're protesting. But I think what their endgame is is to take these highprofile uh green card holders and hold them up and basically say if you do this, if you disscent
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: any way, you are out of the United States. So keep your mouth shut. And I
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: think we
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: are
Mike Smith: they've
Nathan Brady: seeing
Mike Smith: they've said this morning at the very least or they also said it in that meeting because they didn't realize they had a hot mic uh between Trump and and Picaki
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: that that you know the quote homegrowns are next.

00:44:44

Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: it's it's unclear to me from the context whether that means like uh children or what they call uh the anchor babies in this case. Like say you're you say say that one of these people was was born here legally but their parents came through asylum or what have you. So they're a naturalized uh American citizen. I expect that that's what he meant when he said, you know, the homegrowns are next. But what if he meant us? What if he
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: meant
Nathan Brady: no, he
Mike Smith: Mike
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: and Nate are saying these things? They're dissenting. They're getting too loud. We
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: got to
Nathan Brady: do
Mike Smith: got
Nathan Brady: think
Mike Smith: to
Nathan Brady: that
Mike Smith: send them to
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: El
Nathan Brady: do
Mike Smith: Salvador.
Nathan Brady: think that's what he means. I do. I think that I think that that Yes, he'd be open to that.

00:45:20

Nathan Brady: Absolutely.
Mike Smith: Of course,
Nathan Brady: He'd
Mike Smith: he'd
Nathan Brady: be
Mike Smith: be open to that.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.
Mike Smith: But I I was I I was hoping I'm still hoping that
Nathan Brady: I mean,
Mike Smith: he's
Nathan Brady: Mike,
Mike Smith: just
Nathan Brady: they're at your
Mike Smith: focused
Nathan Brady: door right
Mike Smith: on
Nathan Brady: now.
Mike Smith: his racism more than anything. And I'm hoping that he's like, "Brown people born here. We we're going to send them to El Salvador and and and what are they going to do? Citizen or no, 14th amendment or no, we can't do anything about it. They're in El Salvador now." That's what I was hoping for. Not that that's
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: much better, but
Nathan Brady: Wait, why
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: are you hoping
Mike Smith: think that
Nathan Brady: for that?
Mike Smith: I'm hoping for none of this. I'm hoping
Nathan Brady: Okay,
Mike Smith: that that something
Nathan Brady: you're confusing.
Mike Smith: happens.

00:45:58

Mike Smith: Um,
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: no, it's bad. It's not good.
Nathan Brady: it looks like the judge is getting a little pissed off. So, I I don't again, this is I've always been reading from Anna, so I don't know how pronounced the judge's name. I'm going to say Judge Zenis.
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: X I N I S Zenis. Um,
Mike Smith: Sure.
Nathan Brady: um, the the judge appears to be getting a little pissed off now. Uh, judge says, uh, have you done it? Meaning, brought him back? if you haven't done it speculative and nsign uh who is arguing for the United States says that if he if he presents at port of entry or embassy he would be taken into US custody custody this is narrow this is narrow issue of what facility mean and she says no enough I I disagree with what you think facilitate means and I'm prepared to issue an order on what facilitate means and uh it
Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: goes
Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: on.

00:46:53

Mike Smith: is so dumb. They're arguing semantics with a sitting federal judge, which is not a good place to be arguing your defense from. Like I'm not a lawyer and I know he's losing this Yes.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Um if you if you guys were following this case yesterday um or the day before, all the days are kind of bleeding together now. Um, Ensign and Zenus seem to have a cordial, you know, back and forth. It seemed to be respectful as was which quite different than in some of the other cases that we're seeing so far where the judges are coming out or the federal judges are already pissed at the at
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: the United States government uh lawyers. And this one seemed cordial yesterday and in fact it was commented on that it was seemed very cordial. Now, um, this judge has is had enough. It looks
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: like
Mike Smith: I think it correct me Nate if I'm wrong. I mean, like you said, there's so many of these that I'm following, but I think this is the one where uh Enson came in and basically was sort of like apologetic at first, was like, I'm sorry, I don't have all the details,

00:48:02

Nathan Brady: Yes.
Mike Smith: you know,
Nathan Brady: Yes.
Mike Smith: and and being very like forthcoming and like kind of in a dumb way. Like I remember the legal eagle had said something about it in a tweet of like, if your defense attorney comes out and makes these, you know, admissions on your behalf, you probably need a better defense attorney.
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: But they just left him in there and here we are today.
Nathan Brady: but it was a
Mike Smith: But
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: yeah,
Nathan Brady: was a lot of Yeah, it was a lot of um I'm sorry they just haven't given me that information yet. I
Mike Smith: right,
Nathan Brady: don't have that
Mike Smith: right,
Nathan Brady: information,
Mike Smith: right,
Nathan Brady: you know. And it did seem like okay, we'll give you we'll give you a little bit more time. We'll give you 5 p, you know, 4
Mike Smith: right.
Nathan Brady: pm today, you know, whatever. Um, but he did there was some arguing there about what facilitate means and whatever.

00:48:39

Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: And
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: now
Mike Smith: think that
Nathan Brady: today, forget
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: it.
Mike Smith: I think you know, Judge Zenus, I don't know how to pronounce it either, uh, has sort of bent over backwards to give them more and more time to try and ascertain fact and try and, you know, answer court orders at this point because there's there's a difference between like, okay, we're acting on your court order in good faith. We're trying and then you drag for a week and then the court's like, why has this not happened? you come up with a thousand excuses, they're usually like, "Okay, but keep going." Like, they're like, "Oh, we haven't done it. We we just didn't do it." And they're like, "Why? It's a court order. Why haven't you done it?" And they're like, "Well, we don't think that facilitate means what you think it means
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: when
Nathan Brady: mean, can
Mike Smith: you
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: made

00:49:21

Nathan Brady: imagine
Mike Smith: that order." And I was like, I would have held him in contempt right then. I'd be like, "Go to the ba go to the baiff. Go to the
Nathan Brady: can
Mike Smith: baiff and
Nathan Brady: can
Mike Smith: he's going
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: to hit
Nathan Brady: imagine
Mike Smith: you with a
Nathan Brady: going
Mike Smith: club.
Nathan Brady: back to court for like a speeding ticket and just be like, "Well, you know, speeding speeding doesn't mean uh what you thought." I thought speeding meant like taking the drug speed while I was driving. It doesn't mean that, you know,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: and the Supreme Court hasn't ruled on this. So, I
Mike Smith: No,
Nathan Brady: think that that
Mike Smith: I think that it's funny here in this followup uh because Insign mentions potentially appealing this this facilitate thing and the judge just jumps in with the Supreme Court has spoken. There is in
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: my view you nothing to appeal. You're like, "What are you going to do? You

00:50:04

Mike Smith: got
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: ruled against by the Supreme Court 9 to0." And you're telling me you're going to try and impeach that? To whom? It's the Supreme Court.
Nathan Brady: We've made
Mike Smith: Oh
Nathan Brady: clear
Mike Smith: man.
Nathan Brady: court doesn't have authority to make the requests of executive and Zenus says I'm not doing that. There's so much daylight between that and what's happening here. Uh to talk in generalities I'm simply is simply delaying the process we need to go through to determine whether you've done what you can in good faith to comply with the order. And man, this guy, this guy keeps disagreeing with this judge.
Mike Smith: I mean, he has to now. He's He's
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: in it.
Nathan Brady: disagree that it's generalities. The plaintiffs have specifically asked court to compel the government to ask El Salvador for his release. Um, and the judge
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: says, "I'm
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: not
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I'm not

00:50:54

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: even there yet. I'm not even talking about that yet. I'm talking about squarely what you're doing to fulfill the mandate that was issued that you have to facilitate his return. Uh so yeah this is
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: this is
Mike Smith: Like
Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: if
Nathan Brady: aggravating
Mike Smith: like if you wanted if you if you were going to make this argument in good faith and you were going to say facilitate doesn't mean this, what you would do is you would fly a plane down there. You'd have it parked on the tarmac, you know, or whatever, and you'd say, I have a plane in place. It's in good faith and I am I have
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: facilitated
Nathan Brady: door is
Mike Smith: what
Nathan Brady: open.
Mike Smith: I can.
Nathan Brady: The
Mike Smith: I've
Nathan Brady: door is
Mike Smith: done what
Nathan Brady: open.
Mike Smith: I can. Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: exactly. If you're going to
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: make that

00:51:30

Nathan Brady: know,
Mike Smith: dumb argument, you can have good faith showing,
Nathan Brady: and they're
Mike Smith: but they're
Nathan Brady: probably going
Mike Smith: not
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: doing
Nathan Brady: delay
Mike Smith: that.
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: They're
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: not
Nathan Brady: them.
Mike Smith: doing that because they don't they don't want to do that.
Nathan Brady: Listen, let's I hate I I'm sorry this is going to sound um morbid and uh insensitive, but what are the odds that Garcia is even alive?
Mike Smith: I don't know. Um that that is morbid and obviously none of us want to think about that.
Nathan Brady: But I mean, everybody's talking of everybody thinks it. We had a
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: post
Mike Smith: know
Nathan Brady: that viral
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: other
Mike Smith: know
Nathan Brady: day.
Mike Smith: I know
Nathan Brady: The most
Mike Smith: I know
Nathan Brady: common comment underneath it is that there it's very likely this guy's not even alive. And and it seems to me like this is a delay tactic.

00:52:11

Nathan Brady: This arguing back and forth because what you said is true, right? Okay, we can just fly a plane down there and then say we facilitate it. But what if we could delay even doing that? Okay.
Mike Smith: We sent
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: We
Nathan Brady: so let's
Mike Smith: sent Pam
Nathan Brady: delay
Mike Smith: Bondi.
Nathan Brady: that for a week.
Mike Smith: We sent Marco Rubio. We can get a plane there. That's
Nathan Brady: We sent
Mike Smith: not hard.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We sent the dog killer, you know, we sent all of these people. So, but but my point being, yes, we can do that, but if he's dead, for instance. Okay.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: I'm not I don't want to get to that point yet. Let's see how long I can stretch arguing with a judge about what the word facilitate means. Then now I'll go to the step of let me park a plane out there and and stretch that as long as I can take it.

00:52:55

Nathan Brady: Then move to the next step. Meanwhile, months have gone by and we still don't know whether Garcia
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: is
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: alive.
Mike Smith: we've and
Nathan Brady: But that's
Mike Smith: we've
Nathan Brady: because
Mike Smith: forgotten.
Nathan Brady: he might already be dead.
Mike Smith: Yeah. I think that's why they're moving so hard on this one right now. I think that they're just trying to to, you know, put light on
Nathan Brady: Okay, if he's dead, what happens? Like like like right now we find out, you know, that you know they have another case tomorrow. They want more evidence. We find out Garcia is dead tomorrow. What happens in the United States? What happens with this court? You know what? What? What do you think happens?
Mike Smith: I I don't know what happens.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: I tell you what I would want to happen.
Nathan Brady: I don't think you can say it on YouTube.
Mike Smith: I can

00:53:36

Nathan Brady: Uh,
Mike Smith: I think that that the right thing to happen would just be mass protests. I think that
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: sending
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: someone who is here legally by accident to a place a murder camp in that case, right? if he was murdered there, then it's a murder camp
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: outside of US jurisdiction and claiming you couldn't do anything about it. Every American has to come to the streets and protest in
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Washington DC and Los Angeles
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: and New York
Nathan Brady: We
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: have to march.
Mike Smith: Houston and
Nathan Brady: We
Mike Smith: everywhere.
Nathan Brady: have to march.
Mike Smith: You got to get out
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: and you just got to make it clear that this is not something that we stand for as a people, as a society. Even if you don't believe these people are here legally and you don't think that they should be here, I think we can all agree on you shouldn't be sending them to death camps.

00:54:19

Mike Smith: Like, can I can I can I start making the true like comparison there between Nazi Germany because that's what happened.
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: We
Nathan Brady: think
Mike Smith: sent
Nathan Brady: it's
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: already
Mike Smith: Jews, they
Nathan Brady: there.
Mike Smith: sent the Jews to Nazi uh death camps.
Nathan Brady: Yeah, I think I think I think it's already there. I mean, uh,
Mike Smith: That's the answer. I don't know what we're going to do, but that's the
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: answer of what we should do.
Nathan Brady: I'll I'll tell people listening that uh Blues the folks at the Blue Sedition podcast uh and my family and we'll be there with you. Uh
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: we'll be reporting, we'll be marching.
Mike Smith: we've
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: marched
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: before and by
Nathan Brady: we've
Mike Smith: God they'll
Nathan Brady: marched
Mike Smith: do
Nathan Brady: before.
Mike Smith: it again.
Nathan Brady: We've got pictures on I've got I just posted a picture on my blue sky a couple of days ago of of an anniversary picture of when we were registering voters.

00:55:05

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: we've we've been out there and I got to tell you, I've been tired. Uh but you can't get tired.
Mike Smith: I'm
Nathan Brady: You
Mike Smith: old
Nathan Brady: cannot
Mike Smith: now,
Nathan Brady: get tired. Yeah. I
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: I'll
Nathan Brady: dude,
Mike Smith: do it.
Nathan Brady: look, how how can I how can I say that I'm tired at at 40 years old, 44 years old, when Senator Bernie Sanders is supposed to be on a two-w weekek vacation, which is definitely where all the other Dem senators are. But this guy is
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: yelling at the top of his lungs every single night in a different place in a different state with AOC
Mike Smith: selling
Nathan Brady: rallying
Mike Smith: their book,
Nathan Brady: people.
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: Huh.
Mike Smith: They're they're on their book tour, right?
Nathan Brady: There's
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: no
Mike Smith: what
Nathan Brady: book.
Mike Smith: they're selling. They're not selling a book.

00:55:43

Nathan Brady: There's no book.
Mike Smith: What are they doing?
Nathan Brady: They're getting people fired up, man. They're getting people fired up.
Mike Smith: I I I love this pivot. I want to talk about Bernie some more. I I know that you're going to argue with me and that's why
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: I love
Nathan Brady: here
Mike Smith: you,
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: go.
Mike Smith: I have seen more than one I'll say three, I'm going to call them news outlets. Why not? Uh suggesting that this is the the the front of the Bernie AOC 28 campaign. That's the ticket.
Nathan Brady: There is nothing I want more in my life for that to happen. And if if if Bernie
Mike Smith: If
Nathan Brady: has the same energy he has now
Mike Smith: yeah,
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: today,
Nathan Brady: three years, then sure. I don't I don't I unstoppable in my opinion. I mean,
Mike Smith: especially
Nathan Brady: literally
Mike Smith: if they're getting out this early.

00:56:41

Mike Smith: I I
Nathan Brady: literally
Mike Smith: will say that
Nathan Brady: unstoppable.
Mike Smith: I saw there was some polling that was done out of it was a a Democratic a liberal like think tank and they were said like who has the most energy you know of all the potential
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: Democratic
Nathan Brady: there's
Mike Smith: candidate
Nathan Brady: no
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: question.
Mike Smith: Kla Harris was like 57% of
Nathan Brady: Sure.
Mike Smith: the answer and then the next one was was I don't even remember but it was clearly like this is this is think tank nonsense doesn't make any sense.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Um,
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: no, I
Nathan Brady: if
Mike Smith: mean, none of these like what's where's where's Kamala right now? Kamla, I I can never say her name right. Where's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: she
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: right
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: now?
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: She's
Nathan Brady: know what? I We don't
Mike Smith: I'm

00:57:16

Nathan Brady: have to say
Mike Smith: I'm
Nathan Brady: her name
Mike Smith: reading
Nathan Brady: right anymore.
Mike Smith: about her uh considering the nod for the California Dem governor, which would make sense to me as a Californian and and and voter. Like I think that's a good spot for her. She's certainly better than Newsome,
Nathan Brady: Listen,
Mike Smith: but stay away from that presidential ticket.
Nathan Brady: it's like it's like the only people more popular than Bernie Sanders and AOC right now for Democrats are either dead or already ran. So, so,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: so, so Bernie uh uh uh Jimmy Carter and and Barack Obama, right?
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: And
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: if you put a ticket uh with the with two of the top five most popular Democrats in Bernie Sanders and AOC, if that if that election happened tonight, it would be a a a landslide like you've never seen before in your life. Okay? It's
Mike Smith: Jeb
Nathan Brady: like
Mike Smith: Bush.
Nathan Brady: that's a guarantee.

00:58:06

Mike Smith: The Jeb
Nathan Brady: That's
Mike Smith: Bush gift.
Nathan Brady: it. It it would be it would literally there's no I would literally bet my entire life on it. I
Mike Smith: I put
Nathan Brady: would
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: nest
Nathan Brady: would
Mike Smith: egg on it.
Nathan Brady: I'd move out of the country just so I could use that stupid gambling site. Uh whatever the P pp begins with a P. You know
Mike Smith: Poly
Nathan Brady: which one I'm
Mike Smith: market.
Nathan Brady: talking about. Poly market.
Mike Smith: Poly
Nathan Brady: Thank you.
Mike Smith: market.
Nathan Brady: I put it
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I'd put it all. I'd bet it all because
Mike Smith: You bet it all,
Nathan Brady: no
Mike Smith: man.
Nathan Brady: no question. So let me tell you, I won't argue with you. The only thing I am worried about is um obviously his age. And
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I I I got I got nervous in uh 2020 when he was winning and he was leading all the polls and

00:58:46

Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: and the Dems did that crap again. Um that hey, maybe he's too old. But he proved me wrong. He was energetic. He was all of that. And he seems even more energetic now
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: than
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: when I
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: thing.
Nathan Brady: saw him in 2016. I don't get it.
Mike Smith: Yeah, he's definitely bringing that energy. And what I what I don't see what I don't what I don't understand maybe you can help me with this because you're
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: you're more politically minded than I am in these ways, but it's April in 2025.
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: We haven't we're not even into a year away from the midterms yet. like
Nathan Brady: there's no we're not doing
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: midterm
Mike Smith: he's
Nathan Brady: campaigning really.
Mike Smith: he and AOC are out there just just packing stadiums getting in front of like, you know, major cities and and drawing out

00:59:35

Nathan Brady: his
Mike Smith: 20,000 more people than they had expected over and over and over again for now over a week. And so what's the game plan if it's not I'm gearing up for an avalanche at the DNC in 27,
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: LA
Mike Smith: That's got to be the play.
Nathan Brady: in LA this past weekend.
Mike Smith: Yes, sir.
Nathan Brady: There were more people that came out to see Bernie Sanders and AOC then were at Trump's inauguration. Okay,
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: I mean
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: it is it. You're right. It's insane. So, it's the Fight the Oligarchy tour and it
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: is going out there. It's raising awareness. It's getting people to organize and it's working. We saw a couple of posts this morning I thought that were really funny. There was a a Pop Hat tweeted about or posted about a uh a woman who who uh was at a
Mike Smith: Oh
Nathan Brady: at a jury and and was, you know, was was being

01:00:26

Mike Smith: yeah.
Nathan Brady: uh
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: questioned and said, "You know what? I don't think I I right now I'm not in the right state of mind to uh make a fair uh to
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: make fair judgment because
Mike Smith: Unbiased.
Nathan Brady: I just came from a Bernie rally and I am fired up right now." And that's I mean that and that's how I feel. Uh so I totally get where she's coming. That's what I would say today if I were on a jury is like, you know, if it were, for instance, if it were an imig an immigration thing that I had to rule on, I'd be like, I don't care.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I don't
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: care. Um, so I think that's what the goal is right now. I truly believe that his goal and AOC's goal is raising awareness. She's always been like that.
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: When when she was when she was doing uh when when she had just won her seat, she was still

01:01:13

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: doing Twitch. She was still doing
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: um Insta lives stories. She was still interacting with people. She was still raising awareness.
Mike Smith: Virtual
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: town
Nathan Brady: so
Mike Smith: halls
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: just
Mike Smith: the like. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: that's just their nature, right?
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: How
Mike Smith: And and
Nathan Brady: however
Mike Smith: one thing I'll say about them is that they they unlike, you know, the traditional Democrat establishment is are much more willing to have dissenting voices under the tent. And I've seen AOC do it live. I've seen Bernie do it live where somebody asks him a hard question of like I don't agree with you on blah
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: blah blah
Nathan Brady: no, no, no,
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: no.
Mike Smith: then
Nathan Brady: You're
Mike Smith: she'll
Nathan Brady: wrong.
Mike Smith: say okay
Nathan Brady: You're wrong.
Mike Smith: okay
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: they're like don't like don't boot don't boot like let's

01:01:51

Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: come
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: come
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: in
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: and talk to
Nathan Brady: yeah.
Mike Smith: me
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: and that's that's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: what they get so
Nathan Brady: And
Mike Smith: right
Nathan Brady: let me tell
Mike Smith: as
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: compared
Nathan Brady: why.
Mike Smith: to and let me tell we we
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: agree on this we agree he's
Nathan Brady: I mean,
Mike Smith: really
Nathan Brady: remember
Mike Smith: good at
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: Fox News town hall that he did where he had he had he had all the Fox News town hall like audience clapping
Mike Smith: they're all
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: cheering
Nathan Brady: sharing
Mike Smith: and they
Nathan Brady: because
Mike Smith: love
Nathan Brady: because Yeah. Uh he's exactly what we're talking about the Democratic Party needing. The Democratic
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: Party, the constituents
Mike Smith: A voice
Nathan Brady: no
Mike Smith: of the

01:02:18

Nathan Brady: longer
Mike Smith: people
Nathan Brady: think they no longer think the working class no longer think that the Democratic Party represents them. Why do they think that? Because they don't
Mike Smith: because
Nathan Brady: represent
Mike Smith: they don't
Nathan Brady: them.
Mike Smith: Yeah. All right. The
Nathan Brady: All right.
Mike Smith: other play
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: that I
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: have
Nathan Brady: other
Mike Smith: heard
Nathan Brady: play.
Mike Smith: floated uh
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: by one person and I'm
Nathan Brady: One
Mike Smith: not going to
Nathan Brady: person.
Mike Smith: name
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: is that they're going to they're you're right. They're raising awareness. They're
Nathan Brady: Mhm.
Mike Smith: drumming up all of these big things and payout is going to be announcing some candidates that are running in in what they perceive to be weak seats as progressives.
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: So, they're
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: gonna
Nathan Brady: they absolutely Yeah, they absolutely have to do that.
Mike Smith: they

01:02:57

Nathan Brady: I think
Mike Smith: have
Nathan Brady: they
Mike Smith: to do that.
Nathan Brady: even if that wasn't the goal, I think they see now with the momentum that they have that that that that
Mike Smith: you. Yes.
Nathan Brady: is
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: their responsibility
Mike Smith: so,
Nathan Brady: to do that.
Mike Smith: and because we're seeing this more and more, we talked about it in the last episode about Cat who's running
Nathan Brady: Right,
Mike Smith: for Illinois 18 or 16.
Nathan Brady: Cat? I am never going to get your last name right without it pronounced right in front
Mike Smith: Sorry.
Nathan Brady: Abdul Zagala. Uh I don't it's not in front of me. I think I got really close. Cat. I'll I'll it'll be I hope Cat's name is a household name soon,
Mike Smith: Abu
Nathan Brady: but
Mike Smith: Gazala. That's what it looks like. Yeah. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: okay.
Mike Smith: Uh
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: I think you got it. But but yeah, and

01:03:31

Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: I'm sorry. She's running for Illinois 9. Okay.
Nathan Brady: Nine. Yeah.
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: And
Mike Smith: so
Nathan Brady: we have
Mike Smith: what I
Nathan Brady: somebody
Mike Smith: see
Nathan Brady: else on the list as well.
Mike Smith: I Yes, we do. And what I see is a lot of progressive voices from young people who who realize and and see the Democrat party not speaking to normal people, regular everyday people and saying, "I'm going to run a campaign and I'm going to start now and I'm going to just be sort of loud and answer questions and be honest and truthful about everything, transparent about where the money goes and what it's for and and
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you how I'm gonna run And I think that they're going to have this sort of I I think maybe that Bernie and AOC are going to try and team up with these so that they get out in front of any other uh Democrat candidates who, you know, would otherwise have much more money, much more uh visibility.

01:04:26

Mike Smith: So I think that they're trying to get these candidates a loud rockus introduction
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: to the party. And I think that'd be great. like you. I think if you can get them more more progressives
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: in there beating
Nathan Brady: Mike,
Mike Smith: out the
Nathan Brady: let's let's make a
Mike Smith: Go
Nathan Brady: promise
Mike Smith: ahead.
Nathan Brady: to our listeners right now.
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: you and I um in 2015 we were very very politically active um and we were using our technical skills to build
Mike Smith: Mhm.
Nathan Brady: pretty cool websites internally for our team to do some tracking political
Mike Smith: Mhm.
Nathan Brady: tracking and stuff like that. So let's use some of that. Um I think the first thing that we should do is keep a list of our endorsements for the midterms on the website somewhere.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: So, like
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: right
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: now we we have Cat and I think Mike Saxs.

01:05:07

Mike Smith: Yep.
Nathan Brady: Um uh and I think like let's start putting together a good uh area for people to check. Um and like maybe we can find a way to get like some of their feed up there or something like let maybe we can find something cool to do for people. Um but we'll we'll put up a at least a list of our um endorsements and make that a
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: make that a little bit of a thing.
Mike Smith: let's do
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: it.
Nathan Brady: yeah, let's do it. Let's
Mike Smith: Let's
Nathan Brady: do
Mike Smith: do
Nathan Brady: it.
Mike Smith: it.
Nathan Brady: I can't get out there. I can't get out there like Bernie. I know I'm 40 years younger. I can't go out rallying every night. Um but at least we can do some things um behind the keyboard as the keyboard
Mike Smith: I I
Nathan Brady: warrior
Mike Smith: look I
Nathan Brady: that I
Mike Smith: looked
Nathan Brady: am.
Mike Smith: it up.

01:05:47

Mike Smith: He'll be uh 87 years old. uh
Nathan Brady: Oh
Mike Smith: in in
Nathan Brady: man.
Mike Smith: 2027.
Nathan Brady: Oh man.
Mike Smith: So that's
Nathan Brady: Really?
Mike Smith: 2028 with the inauguration in nine it' be 87 um which is pretty old.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Um,
Mike Smith: So it's seeming less likely now that I put it in that context.
Nathan Brady: yeah, he's currently 83 right now. Birthday in September.
Mike Smith: Yes,
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: he'll be
Mike Smith: not outside
Nathan Brady: only be
Mike Smith: the He looks good. He sounds
Nathan Brady: he'll
Mike Smith: better than
Nathan Brady: only be
Mike Smith: Biden
Nathan Brady: 80.
Mike Smith: did.
Nathan Brady: He'll only be 85 when he runs, you know, when he's like
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: really making push. Um, I don't know, man. I uh I can tell you right now Bernie would win. He would have won and he would have won.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: but I

01:06:38

Mike Smith: was surprised.
Nathan Brady: think he
Mike Smith: I mean it because obviously I'm not surprised but because of the the shortened um I don't know what you want to call it commencement that Biden did where he just gave it to Harris and there wasn't really a conference or anything like that
Nathan Brady: wasn't a primary.
Mike Smith: there primary
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: I'm sorry. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: Then uh you know I'm surprised Bernie wasn't a little louder but it is what it is.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Uh
Mike Smith: We're going to get
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: some progressive
Nathan Brady: fair.
Mike Smith: candidates out there. We're gonna we're gonna get behind them and we're gonna bolster them. We're gonna make them We're gonna get them to win.
Nathan Brady: All right.
Mike Smith: That's what I think we're
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: gonna do.
Nathan Brady: All right. I always love uh ending on the Bernie Sanders AOC talk. So,
Mike Smith: Gets
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: me
Nathan Brady: gets

01:07:19

Mike Smith: fired
Nathan Brady: me a
Mike Smith: up for the next episode.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. It gets me a little bit of hope. Um, but
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: we have a unfortunately uh when you think about it, we're only three months into this current administration, which is
Mike Smith: Oh, I know. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: god damn.
Mike Smith: The damage damage they've done is is
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: measurable really.
Nathan Brady: So, I mean, I think what we're gonna what we're going to be talking about a lot after the midterms when uh hopefully progressive Democrats show up big and we take back the House and we take the Senate is we're going to then be talking about the executive branch defying both Congress and the legislative branch.
Mike Smith: You have
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: to
Nathan Brady: so all right. All right. This is a good spot to end it. Uh, thank you everybody for listening. Please, uh, do us a favor. Like, subscribe, uh share on Blue Sky. Follow us on Blue Sky if you're not already.

01:08:13

Nathan Brady: We are uh blue-sided.com at BlueSky. That's also our website where you can get uh links to our other socials and our YouTube as well. Um leave a comment below uh if there's something that you'd like us to talk about. Um, maybe it's Betar, that strange um, Israeli pro-Israel group that keeps calling for the arrest of peaceful Palestinians or something else that you want us to bring up uh, at the at one of our next episodes or you have an idea for candidates or you know about candidates
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: that
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: are coming up
Mike Smith: Point
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: us
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: in their direction.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Let us let us know because we want to we want to start vetting some of these people on our own. Um, I will say we didn't get to talk about Josh Shapiro at all and I feel very very bad about what happened to Josh Shapiro and his family about, you know, his his house uh being set ablaze.

01:09:03

Nathan Brady: I'm still not voting for Josh Shapiro for president. So, let's uh we're
Mike Smith: Yeah, let's
Nathan Brady: not doing
Mike Smith: get that
Nathan Brady: that.
Mike Smith: out of the way.
Nathan Brady: Let's get that out of the way right now. That's a no from me and let's work together to find a candidate that we're all gonna going to be able to back. So
Mike Smith: You're
Nathan Brady: until
Mike Smith: here.
Nathan Brady: next time, I'm Nate Brady.
Mike Smith: I'm Mike Smith. Thanks everybody.
Nathan Brady: And we'll catch you later. Bye. All right.
Mike Smith: Good. Good.
Nathan Brady: Good, good, good. Let me get these uh
Mike Smith: Nuts.
Nathan Brady: updates, these nuts. Cat Abdul, it it took it as Cat Abdul Gazala.
Mike Smith: That sounds
Nathan Brady: All right,
Mike Smith: right.
Nathan Brady: that sounds right. With a C as well. All right.
Mike Smith: Or you know something.
Nathan Brady: Good, good. Let me get these. Updates these
Mike Smith: Mossin
Nathan Brady: nuts, capped
Mike Smith: Madali's,
Nathan Brady: Abdul,
Mike Smith: habeas
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: case
Nathan Brady: took
Mike Smith: has been
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: reassigned
Nathan Brady: as Cat Abdul
Mike Smith: to Judge, Joffrey
Nathan Brady: Ghazala.
Mike Smith: Crawford and
Nathan Brady: All right, that
Mike Smith: I'm Obama appointee
Nathan Brady: sounds right with a
Mike Smith: what's
Nathan Brady: C as
Mike Smith: marked
Nathan Brady: well. Good job.
Mike Smith: as related to Ozterk's case and filing judge
Nathan Brady: Something,
Mike Smith: sessions
Nathan Brady: it's something.
Mike Smith: found that they're not today. So the case was reassigned.