Hey girl u up? We're bombing Yemen

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Mike Smith: Oh, I need this white balance is crazy. Hey, it's my face. All right, there we
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: go.
Nathan Brady: let me uh let me get a one two from daddy from Zaddy.
Mike Smith: And one and a two and a
Nathan Brady: And
Mike Smith: one,
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: two,
Nathan Brady: one,
Mike Smith: baby.
Nathan Brady: two.
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Nathan Brady: Mine looks a little Here we go. Okay, good.
Mike Smith: Do
Nathan Brady: Balance.
Mike Smith: live.
Nathan Brady: All right, gonna do this.
Mike Smith: I'm ready to do this. was born ready to do this.
Nathan Brady: All right. Well, he's born ready. Okay. Never mind. Hey everyone, and welcome to another episode of the Blue Sedition podcast. It's one where I have less hair than the last one. Um, I don't have any hair left to pull out. I'm here
Mike Smith: The news is doing that to you, huh?
Nathan Brady: news is doing that to me. This world is doing that to me.

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Nathan Brady: I'm Nate Brady,
Mike Smith: I'm
Nathan Brady: uh,
Mike Smith: Mike
Nathan Brady: co-host
Mike Smith: Smith,
Nathan Brady: of the
Mike Smith: baby.
Nathan Brady: Blues Edition podcast. He Yeah, he's he's Mike Smith. Mike, how are you?
Mike Smith: Man, I am okay. How are you?
Nathan Brady: Uh, I'm I'm not well. I'm not doing well.
Mike Smith: You're
Nathan Brady: Uh,
Mike Smith: you're having you're having a tough one.
Nathan Brady: man, it's hard, you know, when when all you do outside of work uh really is consume uh world news.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: and you realize how terrible things are and
Mike Smith: You know,
Nathan Brady: what
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: funny. Uh, I think it's an important thing to to to say. I mean, obviously, everybody is here to listen to the podcast for us. We did this research before we started the podcast. Nate and I would be on calls all the time. We'd be texting each other to talk about, did you see this happen in the news?

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Mike Smith: And that was that that's that's the reason we started doing this because this is just how we live our lives.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: We
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: cannot
Nathan Brady: mean, we
Mike Smith: get out of news cycles.
Nathan Brady: once we realized we were politically aligned, I think in like 2015,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you know, uh we we have just been uh texting each other non-stop about this stuff. And so the podcast is really it's not even really work for us, right? Like
Mike Smith: No,
Nathan Brady: this is
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: this is just part of what we normally do.
Mike Smith: this
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: is a healthier outlet for our obsession with world news and and the political landscape of the United States in particular.
Nathan Brady: yeah. um other than actually running for office, which um actually that's
Mike Smith: Neither
Nathan Brady: something
Mike Smith: of
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: us are corrupt enough. We We just We
Nathan Brady: well
Mike Smith: can't do it.
Nathan Brady: well I'm starting to see uh I don't want to get too hopeful um but I'm starting to see some people that I really like

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Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: um that are that are running for office that have a very progressive, transparent, and positive uh campaigns. Um, and
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: we're gonna definitely hype those people up
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: um, as we as we get towards the uh, the first the first major election um, since uh, democracy was destroyed. I guess
Mike Smith: What's
Nathan Brady: is
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: there
Mike Smith: big
Nathan Brady: really
Mike Smith: dumb
Nathan Brady: um,
Mike Smith: guy?
Nathan Brady: yeah, since that big orange dumb guy took over. So, we'll talk about some of those people eventually, but I think uh, I think the way we're just going to jump right in. Um,
Mike Smith: Let's
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: jump
Nathan Brady: know,
Mike Smith: in. What do we
Nathan Brady: I want
Mike Smith: got?
Nathan Brady: to I want to jump right in
Mike Smith: What
Nathan Brady: since
Mike Smith: do you
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: want to
Nathan Brady: are
Mike Smith: talk about?
Nathan Brady: since we are the only political news podcast.

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Nathan Brady: Um, no, I'm I'm hearing I'm hearing others say that. Uh, and I enjoy that. But, uh, yeah, let's just jump right into the top story. Um,
Mike Smith: Okay,
Nathan Brady: I was laying in bed last night um
Mike Smith: sounds
Nathan Brady: getting
Mike Smith: nice.
Nathan Brady: ready to fall asleep and somebody texted me, "You up?" And I said, "Yeah, who is this?" And he said, "We're bombing Yemen." What? Who is this? Uh, no. Yeah. So, I mean, unless you're living under a rock, you know that uh DUI hireer Pete Hexith um along with uh JD Vance uh to representative for Tulsi Gabbard, uh Michael Waltz, uh who else was in this? Who else
Mike Smith: Was
Nathan Brady: was
Mike Smith: it
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: a
Nathan Brady: this?
Mike Smith: representative for for Tulsy Gabbert? I thought it was actually her.
Nathan Brady: Um I I mean if you listen if you if you read through the text messages I think it I think they were basically saying um this is blah blah blah for Tulsi Gabbard.

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Mike Smith: Oh,
Nathan Brady: This is
Mike Smith: okay.
Nathan Brady: blah blah blah for whatever.
Mike Smith: Yeah. Did
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Did
Nathan Brady: think
Mike Smith: you say
Nathan Brady: for the
Mike Smith: Marco
Nathan Brady: most part
Mike Smith: Rubio?
Nathan Brady: everyone was
Mike Smith: Marco Rubio
Nathan Brady: and Marco
Mike Smith: was
Nathan Brady: Rubio
Mike Smith: part of
Nathan Brady: as
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: well.
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um, so, so apparently the way that we're doing it now is we're getting into a signal channel, um, to basically discuss whether we should drop bombs in other countries,
Mike Smith: Cool.
Nathan Brady: um, and do all of our our national security stuff there,
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: uh, hash that out,
Mike Smith: Sure.
Nathan Brady: make that decision, and then drop drop the bombs. By the way, apparently from the the most peaceful president we've ever had who doesn't drop bombs. Um so that decision was made but there was a crucial misstep other than using signal um
Mike Smith: The bombs.

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Nathan Brady: to to coordinate this the okay sorry there were a couple of missteps other than the bombs other than using signal
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: um they invited by by accident uh a reporter or editor-inchief of the Atlantic uh magazine. That
Mike Smith: Oh,
Nathan Brady: seems that seems
Mike Smith: they
Nathan Brady: not good.
Mike Smith: they brought a member of the press into this group chat to discuss a military operation happening in Yemen live.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. So, Jeffrey Goldberg got to join in on this conversation. Imagine imagine you're an editor and chief for for you know a major magazine or news publication and you and you get dropped into this and you're just like like it's like jack jackpot. There's no like this is literally hitting the lottery for
Mike Smith: Yeah, I
Nathan Brady: for
Mike Smith: think
Nathan Brady: this.
Mike Smith: I think that I saw somebody equating this to uh the like the deep throat calls during the Nixon um Watergate scandal and they're like instead of deepthroat calling you, it was just Nixon from the White House being like, "So anyway, what we're going to do is

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Nathan Brady: Here's the tapes. Oh, you're you're there. You're listening live, right?
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Exactly.
Nathan Brady: think
Mike Smith: They
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: patch
Nathan Brady: think John
Mike Smith: you.
Nathan Brady: Oliver
Mike Smith: This is We have the White House to patch you in while these burglars get in through the water gate and start digging around. You're like, "What?
Nathan Brady: So, I think John Oliver like eight years ago coined the phrase stupid Watergate. And I think he
Mike Smith: Stupid
Nathan Brady: was a
Mike Smith: water
Nathan Brady: little
Mike Smith: gate."
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: think he was a little too
Mike Smith: Dream.
Nathan Brady: early because because I think this was I think this is definitely stupid Watergate. Um Mike, what do you make of this? Is this good?
Mike Smith: Oh, there's there's so much stuff to dig into here. Obviously, this is just the dumbest scandal that we've seen from this admin yet. And to be fair,

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Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: they're they're they're three months in. Well, two
Nathan Brady: okay.
Mike Smith: months. They started January 20th, right? So, they're only two
Nathan Brady: Short.
Mike Smith: monthsish
Nathan Brady: Only two
Mike Smith: in.
Nathan Brady: months and five days. Yeah, sure.
Mike Smith: And and you have a national security leak from the the the Secretary of what? Defense. I mean,
Nathan Brady: Yeah. DUI hire uh Pete
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: Hegth.
Mike Smith: I think we posted it on on Blooki, but if this had happened under any other administration, they
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: would have
Nathan Brady: come
Mike Smith: already
Nathan Brady: on.
Mike Smith: resigned before the news story went up. Like the guy uh Jeffrey Goldberg would have would have texted the guy texted uh Hexit back afterwards and be like, "I think you included me on that." And
Nathan Brady: And he
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: would have resigned immediately. Yeah.
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: Yeah.

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Mike Smith: resignation would have he's like, "I'm writing an article about the resignation would have been out already." I mean, that's that's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: just this is
Nathan Brady: They
Mike Smith: not good.
Nathan Brady: they resigned in advance of the article. Uh yeah. And I mean, um,
Mike Smith: I mean, put put it in perspective. Think about like the the hand ringing they did around Hillary's uh email
Nathan Brady: well,
Mike Smith: server because there was there was this idea that information had gotten leaked that had led to there's
Nathan Brady's Presentation: for
Mike Smith: always a
Nathan Brady's Presentation: this
Mike Smith: tweet.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: type of conduct and
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Nathan Brady's Presentation: criminally
Nathan Brady: let's listen.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: prosecuted
Nathan Brady: Let's listen in.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: for
Mike Smith: Let's
Nathan Brady: Hold
Mike Smith: see.
Nathan Brady: on. Hold on. Hold on. Go back. Go back.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: any security professional, military, government, or otherwise would be fired on the spot for this type of conduct and criminally prosecuted for for being so reckless with this kind of information.

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Nathan Brady's Presentation: Uh the fact that she wouldn't be held accountable for this, I think blows the mind of anyone who's held our nation's secrets dear, who's had a top secret clearance like I have and others who know that even one hiccup causes a problem. Any security professional
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: that's that's hard.
Mike Smith: I mean it's Hexath calling for his own uh termination and potential uh uh indictment, I guess, is what he's saying, right? Or prosecution, excuse me. I don't know by whom because I doubt the DOJ would actually prosecute Pete Hegsth, but
Nathan Brady: No.
Mike Smith: what do I know?
Nathan Brady: Uh yeah, I mean I guess that's the other big thing is uh certainly that that's not going to happen. Like you said, if this were if this were a Democratic administration, people would be fired. There'd be accountability. There'd be investigations,
Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you know, there'd be a
Mike Smith: They're
Nathan Brady: ton,

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Mike Smith: holding
Nathan Brady: you know.
Mike Smith: they're holding meetings at the Hill today. So, I mean,
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: senators are getting a chance to speak uh and ask questions of uh representatives from both um and they're they are getting absolutely destroyed. They they they get their wires crossed. They don't have a game plan. they haven't clearly prepped for any of the obvious questions. The first and foremost one that that I noticed was was there any um information shared that required a security clearance uh is like secret information confidential information being shared in this chat
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: and Jeffrey Goldberg was there for the whole thing but he hasn't published it and his statement is because he's like this is stuff that I shouldn't publish the actual like record of that chat because there might be security like implications involved, but I can write about having been there and what it was
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: about and then confirming what it was about. So they they answer no, there's no classified information and then well I tell you except the information is classified and then they ask them about that.

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Mike Smith: So they go back and forth and their answers are just just mindboggling. They haven't prepped at all for these hearings. It's it's already really bad for them.
Nathan Brady: No, they have no they have no uh coordination whatsoever. Um, there's
Mike Smith: And now you're getting all of the Democrats uh in Congress and the Senate going out and and they're hitting all the news cycle hard with it's time for resignations. Like there that's Tammy Duckworth has called for resignations. I know uh Chris Murphy's called for resignations. Called I've put a bunch in there. We'll include them all in the show notes as we know them. But
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: I mean they're they're saying it's time. Oh,
Nathan Brady: let's
Mike Smith: Tulsi,
Nathan Brady: listen in. Let's listen
Mike Smith: you
Nathan Brady: in on
Mike Smith: beautiful
Nathan Brady: Tulsi.
Mike Smith: Russian spy. You
Nathan Brady: Let's Let's listen on Tulsi trying to come up with some type
Mike Smith: Mark
Nathan Brady: of
Mike Smith: Kelly.
Nathan Brady: uh

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Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: in
Nathan Brady: response
Nathan Brady's Presentation: the signal
Nathan Brady: to Mark
Nathan Brady's Presentation: chain
Nathan Brady: Kelly.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: that we have been talking about. Was there any mention of a target in Yemen? I don't remember mention of specific targets, any generic target. I believe there was uh discussion around targets in general. Mr. Rcliffe, I think that's consistent with my recollection. Again, I don't have access to that. Was there was there any mention, Miss Gabbard, of a weapon or weapons system? I don't recall specific weapons systems being named. I'm not talking about specific any weapon or weapon system. I don't recall specific names of systems.
Nathan Brady: I mean it.
Mike Smith: Like, did you use the phrase air strike? Did you
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: use the phrase drone? Did you
Nathan Brady: Did
Mike Smith: say
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: missile? Like,
Nathan Brady: Did
Mike Smith: come
Nathan Brady: you

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Mike Smith: on.
Nathan Brady: say
Mike Smith: It's
Nathan Brady: hoies?
Mike Smith: so dumb.
Nathan Brady: Did you say Come on. I
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Did you
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: name
Nathan Brady: know,
Mike Smith: who was going to be under this strike? because
Nathan Brady: and if
Mike Smith: people
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: were struck.
Nathan Brady: if you were testifying
Mike Smith: Oh, we didn't
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: know.
Nathan Brady: front of
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: Congress,
Mike Smith: mean, come on.
Nathan Brady: if you were testifying in front of Congress that no uh classified information was was uh released in these or was was transferred in these signal chats, then you're giving Jeffrey Goldberg permission to release the entire transcript of those signal chats. Right. If you're gonna if you're going to say there's no classified information in there. Jeff, where you at, boy?
Mike Smith: Okay. So, I think that that's a really important issue that we should hit on.

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Mike Smith: We're talking about Signal. We should talk about Signal a bit.
Nathan Brady: Okay, let's talk about signal.
Mike Smith: So, Signal is a secure end-to-end encryption messaging service.
Nathan Brady: Yep.
Mike Smith: Air quotes. Who do you know who uh it's it's a
Nathan Brady: It's
Mike Smith: nonprofit
Nathan Brady: owned by the Saudis,
Mike Smith: operate?
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: I think so. Uh I'm not really sure if it's like owned by the Saudis in the same way that Twitter is owned by the Saudis, but it's technically registered as a 50c3 nonprofit in the United States through 2025. So, it's at the very least and there there's a little bit to unpack here too because there's signal the uh the brand whatever you want to call it the the nonprofit uh institution like the I don't have the wording for that because I'm not a lawyer but
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: The
Mike Smith: then
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: there
Nathan Brady: signal
Mike Smith: might be
Nathan Brady: technology foundation,
Mike Smith: yes the foundation

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Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: and then there might be signal the platform which which is obviously tightly interweaved with the other but it's unclear where one starts one the other what we're talking about is signal the platform the messaging app the premise is that it is securely end to end encrypted that means if I send a message to Nate the technology is such that Nate and only Nate has the keys to decrypt that message and read it in plain text and further if someone gets the message that I sent without the key they won't be able to decrypt
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: it
Nathan Brady: If
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: they
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: if
Mike Smith: includes
Nathan Brady: they intercept that message, if they perform a man-in-the-middle attack, and they
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: grab that, you sent it on a public network in Starbucks, for instance,
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: and they were able to grab that encrypted message off of Starbucks public Wi-Fi, they would not be able to decrypt that, and it would
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: take, you know, and and you can't just guess that encryption key.

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Nathan Brady: It would take
Mike Smith: No, these
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: these
Nathan Brady: would take
Mike Smith: are securely
Nathan Brady: millions of years,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: These are securely encrypted where governments believe that that this is a the mechanism being used not the platform the encryption
Nathan Brady: Right
Mike Smith: mechanisms being used are uh appropriate for like secure government communications so that other governments can't read them.
Nathan Brady: now I want I
Mike Smith: So,
Nathan Brady: want to say three things here before
Mike Smith: let's
Nathan Brady: we continue.
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Okay. So, first Mike and I have actually built a signal clone where we have done endto-end UI uh messaging so that we could talk to each other if we wanted to via an encrypted app that was out of the control of whoever we you know you we don't actually know what
Mike Smith: right.
Nathan Brady: signal is doing with this. Right.
Mike Smith: Aside
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: from political activists, we are actually in the technological space
Nathan Brady: right.

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Mike Smith: especially
Nathan Brady: So
Mike Smith: in
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: software
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: and we are deeply aware of the the mechanations that being used here because we we
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: use them ourselves.
Nathan Brady: So uh number two, I did miss misspeak earlier. I I must have been thinking about a story where uh the Saudi prince or one of some somebody in uh Saudi leadership was hacked on Signal. Um they have no
Mike Smith: Oh,
Nathan Brady: apparent ownership
Mike Smith: they're no affiliated.
Nathan Brady: not affiliated in any
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: any way. So I was thinking of something else. And finally, number three is there is an Israeli uh technology firm called Celebrate that has claimed that they can hack into Signal.
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: I I forgot about that. That's funny.
Nathan Brady: yeah. So
Mike Smith: I think I
Nathan Brady: um
Mike Smith: think that that I mean we shouldn't we shouldn't overstate that. I I I have memory of that being a very particular setup of cipher suites and it was not general in the sense that every signal message could be uh uh broken in that way but I we would need to dig into it.

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Mike Smith: The
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: point I'm
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: trying
Nathan Brady: Hey,
Mike Smith: to make here is not so much that they're using encrypted messaging apps like this. Um, a lot of people in the media use Signal because they want to have like whistleblowers and things and they want people talking to them and feeling protected in a way where they won't have that information leak
Nathan Brady: some
Mike Smith: out.
Nathan Brady: of some of our favorites use Signal for their drop,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you know, for their drops.
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: yeah.
Mike Smith: Exactly. Exactly. So the thing that I want to point out is that this is not a company whose messages are going to be cataloged and kept as are required by law when government officials make communications. So there for years and years has been a prescribed way for doing encrypted communications between government officials such that copies of those those communicate are stored uh with the government as is required by law but signal's not going to do that and

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Nathan Brady: No.
Mike Smith: do you think Pete Hegsth is going to be like copy paste here's this entire chat that I had and send it to the national archives I don't think So they're using this to circumvent that requirement. They don't want to be officially on the record as having said anything with regards to war or who is ICE detaining and who are they putting in Gitmo and anything else. So
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: the the one thing I just wanted to say is that this is a completely inappropriate use of signal by the government.
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: The
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: fact that they
Nathan Brady: illegal.
Mike Smith: invited some reporter by accident just highlights that fact even more so.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean, this is in complete violation of the Federal Records Act. Um, I think I've been seeing floating around and I haven't been able to verify today that there are training videos out from Project 2025 that pretty much tell you
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: how to use these types of messaging acts to messaging acts messaging apps to avoid um this this type of thing.

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Nathan Brady: getting getting these records um seized in in or or uh taken in foyer requests. Um adding them to the National Archive. Um getting around the Privacy Act of 1974, like all all of this stuff.
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: I mean a lot of the those entities that you're talking about, the writers of Project 2025 and basically everyone in the Trump administration holds truly to the belief that Nixon's Watergate scandal shouldn't have been something that got out because they shouldn't have been able to get access to his his private recordings, right? And so what they're doing is is they're preempting that. They're saying,
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: "Okay, you're going to use communications and you want to have a a you know, a version that you can see, use these secure communications applications to, you know, like you said, subvert the uh the law that you have to keep these records. And then if anybody comes with a subpoena, you just uninstall the app and those messages cannot be decrypted ever again because you
Nathan Brady: Right.

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Mike Smith: destroyed the key.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Or there's there's also other ephemeral messaging apps that have the same
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: type of encryption and one time like I see it once and it's gone kind of thing. So, um, the obvious the obvious thing here is there the the US government, the the NSA have created apps like this specifically for government use. If you
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: are not using them, there's a more nefarious reason for it. If you're not
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: using I mean, it's so obvious.
Mike Smith: The US government has this in place and has for many, many years. But the difference is is when I send a message to Nate, it's ostensibly going to encrypt and send a carbon copy message of that to the FBI or
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: whoever whatever
Nathan Brady: That is a
Mike Smith: oversight
Nathan Brady: national
Mike Smith: record,
Nathan Brady: right. Right.
Mike Smith: you know, whoever. And it will follow the chain of command in terms of classified uh information and only with those need to know will actually get access to it.

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Mike Smith: But eventually it makes it into the the archives as is required by law. When you cut that out of your communications chain, you are violating the law. I mean, that
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: in of in and of itself should be investigated by the FBI,
Nathan Brady: Right. I mean, I I don't see people and I I didn't get to watch the whole, you know, the whole committee hearing this morning. Um,
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: so I but I haven't heard people asking that line of questioning yet. I think that's going to come next. But it's important to note uh that I believe it was uh Senator Osaf who said they will be receiving uh an entire transcript of the uh of the chat. So um it was basically saying keep keep lying to us, keep misremembering what you literally wrote yesterday. We are going to get the entire transcript of the chat
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: which
Mike Smith: and it it speaks to what you said before and what we sort of have been dancing around.

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Mike Smith: If um if the the the author of that article uh at the Atlantic
Nathan Brady: Jeffrey
Mike Smith: I am
Nathan Brady: Goldberg.
Mike Smith: blanking, sorry, say again.
Nathan Brady: Jeffrey Goldberg,
Mike Smith: If Jeffrey Goldberg just sits there and does nothing,
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: he's going to have a subpoena land on his desk in a day or two where they're going to be like, "We are requesting evidence for this particular for this alleged crime. give us access to your your uh uh your signal conversation with these people. Like you
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: were in that chat, so give it to us. And
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: at that
Nathan Brady: Goldberg's
Mike Smith: point, he
Nathan Brady: gonna
Mike Smith: can't
Nathan Brady: comply.
Mike Smith: say no.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. No,
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: Goldberg's
Mike Smith: he can't
Nathan Brady: gonna
Mike Smith: be
Nathan Brady: comply.
Mike Smith: sued for it. You have to be worried about it. It's evidence in a court case at that
Nathan Brady: Yeah.

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Mike Smith: point.
Nathan Brady: No. Yeah. There's there's no issues there.
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: why this
Nathan Brady: unless
Mike Smith: is that's why we again call this stupid Watergate. Like why would you do this and then invite invite a member of the the Jouos? It doesn't make any sense.
Nathan Brady: yeah, I'll point out somebody on on blue sky has said exactly what I'm what we're saying here is they're focusing on the accidental access given to Goldberg, but the core problem is that they shouldn't be using signal for this or any other functioning of government. And that's
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: exa it's exactly correct. And the the reason why they're doing that is for nefarious purposes. They know what they're doing. They weren't just like, "Oh, we have no way to communicate. Let's
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: use
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: signal,
Mike Smith: for
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: context,
Nathan Brady: guess.
Mike Smith: when the right was up in arms about, oh, but her emails, the whole issue at play was that she had this private email server off of government uh uh soil ostensibly.

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Mike Smith: It was still set up to use the government's official encryption mechanisms. It was still set up to CC when required, you know, the DOJ and anybody else involved so that those records would be kept. And there wasn't anything nefarious. That's part of the instructions that were given to her as a part of that. This is a complete and deliberate circumvention of the law.
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: I mean,
Nathan Brady: Yep.
Mike Smith: this should this should be jail time, let alone resignations under a functioning society.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean, at at the very least, uh Tulsi Gabbard, uh Rubio, um and Heg Seth, I I think they they all should be on the hook for this.
Mike Smith: Oh
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: yeah.
Nathan Brady: I mean th those three people especially should know. I mean JD Vance is in there. I mean come on. I mean this is just insane. I mean JD Vance is in there talking about making sure that we protect Saudi oil fields. I

00:23:38

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: mean
Mike Smith: He was like, "We need to avoid the the oil fields." But it was like uh that not not for any um allied reason as much as he's like don't destroy that precious oil. It might be coming for that.
Nathan Brady: I I mean this is just unbelievable. I I think we
Mike Smith: We
Nathan Brady: were
Mike Smith: knew
Nathan Brady: like
Mike Smith: something
Nathan Brady: we're saying
Mike Smith: like this was going to happen.
Nathan Brady: sure.
Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: this this admin is so bad that we knew that this was the type of thing that would befall them before too long. They're hubous and they're just in
Nathan Brady: but
Mike Smith: what what's the word I'm looking for here? Just just complete and utter failure to do anything successfully. This is so simple
Nathan Brady: here's
Mike Smith: and they invited somebody. This is like emailing somebody and accidentally putting in the wrong Bert or whoever. You know what I mean?
Nathan Brady: It's one of the things that I mean, if you're like me, a as soon as I send an email, an important email, I have an immediate panic attack.

00:24:35

Mike Smith: Mhm.
Nathan Brady: Like, oh s***, did I did I send that to the wrong person? Um,
Mike Smith: I cannot tell you how many times I've sent an email and hit the undo button that Google gives you for like 10 seconds
Nathan Brady: three seconds.
Mike Smith: after you
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: send.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: You're
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: like, "No, no, no, no, give it back." It hasn't sent it yet. You're like, "Okay." I do that
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: all the time. Just stress going, "Wait, did I check double check, triple check?"
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Pete Hex was probably drunk and just, you know, DM'd everybody in his phone.
Nathan Brady: And no. And I'm not I'm not going to give him that. He was probably drunk. Sure. But this was still deliberate. Uh yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not going to say this was an accidental uh drunk text. This was definitely deliberate. So um Haggth definitely needs to resign.

00:25:17

Nathan Brady: Um, and then Tulsi Gabbard as as the director of national intelligence allowing this to happen, there is clearly something nefarious there going on. I
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I don't think there's there's
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: any
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: other way to say it.
Mike Smith: they're they're certainly losing the thread of the argument with the the media right now. So, this happened this was just posted by Aaron Rapar like eight seconds ago on it's a
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: Fox News clip
Nathan Brady: what do we
Mike Smith: of
Nathan Brady: got?
Mike Smith: uh huh of hims. I don't have it for for audio. I'll just read it.
Nathan Brady: Oh, okay.
Mike Smith: Uh
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: he he's uh in a heated exchange with Bill Kaine and he says, "I'm not going to listen to you tell me that this is about a partisan advantage. It's by the grace of God that we don't have dead pilots right now. It makes me want to throw up to hear you turn this into a partisan issue.

00:26:01

Mike Smith: You just need to stop.
Nathan Brady: Amen.
Mike Smith: They're they're losing the messaging. They're losing the messaging and it's not even five hours. It's just the the they're they are on the back foot and it's, you know, deservedly so.
Nathan Brady: Wow. Um, okay. So, uh,
Mike Smith: Sure.
Nathan Brady: I I was just going to say earlier, you know, uh, this should be our Watergate, right? This should be like one of the biggest stories. um except for the fact that um it seems like we're suspending the Constitution, disappearing people in the United States, uh disappearing
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: residents, legal residents of the United States, deporting um legal residents to uh slave labor in countries where they're not even from. I mean, so yeah, my my question is like does it is it does it matter? Like I I see it. I see the possibility of no resignations coming from this, of nothing coming from this. Um
Mike Smith: Yeah, I mean we've already seen that uh Trump was asked in the in in either the situ or in the oval.

00:27:14

Mike Smith: I I wasn't sure. This is fairly recent and it's all happening rather fast. But he answered questions and basically said that he doesn't believe that any resignations are necessary at this time and he's not going to fire anybody. And you're like, this guy made his brand on firing people. He should just do it and just it would even win with his base. He's like, you
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: get fired
Nathan Brady: mean, you
Mike Smith: up.
Nathan Brady: do we have to be grateful for the fact that if if it was anybody more competent than Heg Seth there, this stuff would be happening and we wouldn't know about it. I mean, so is like is is say they say they were like, "Okay, let let's let's force Hex Seth out and let's get somebody more competent in there." Nothing changes and they just are are are doing it better. They're they're doing the bad things better, right? Um so it's such a catch. It's like I know it's not a reason to not want Hex there, but at least with the incompetence, we can see everything that they're doing, you know?

00:28:15

Mike Smith: Yeah, I mean it's the same problem that we had with his first admin uh in the 2016 presidential cycle. He he and his team are so incompetent that they keep fumbling like this and it's so visible. It's so out there. everyone
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: can see it. And I agree with you. I think like on the one hand, it makes me crazy that I have to keep talking about this stuff, but on
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: the other hand, I'm so glad that all of this garbage is so visible so that we can get loud about it and say this thing that you're doing is deplorable and we
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: do not stand for this in any
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: sense. You know, the American society shouldn't stand for this.
Nathan Brady: I mean,
Mike Smith: So, with a
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: grain
Nathan Brady: kind
Mike Smith: of salt,
Nathan Brady: of reminds
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: me
Mike Smith: like that.
Nathan Brady: it reminds me of like um um uh Bill Barr, right?

00:29:02

Nathan Brady: The former attorney general in in Trump's first term.
Mike Smith: hate him
Nathan Brady: He
Mike Smith: too.
Nathan Brady: was
Mike Smith: Oh
Nathan Brady: like the most competent he was a terrible terrible person. He's not
Mike Smith: yeah.
Nathan Brady: who we wanted
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: as attorney general, but he was competent enough and smart enough to at least say at some point we're Hey, uh Trump, no, we're not doing that. Sorry, we can't do this. And that and and that gets us in the spot of boy, wish we had Bill Bar instead of Pam Bondi,
Mike Smith: I will never
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: say
Nathan Brady: know.
Mike Smith: those words in
Nathan Brady: No,
Mike Smith: that order out
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: loud.
Nathan Brady: know. I know. It's just it's just ridiculous time right now.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Um
Mike Smith: I I think that they put like they put career politicians even this turnaround into those sorts of positions. They put Pam Bondi as AG. They've got Rubio as state.

00:29:48

Mike Smith: I don't even remember who he is. Um and
Nathan Brady: uh sorry,
Mike Smith: they're
Nathan Brady: Rubio
Mike Smith: the ones
Nathan Brady: is Secretary of State.
Mike Smith: Yeah. Sex State.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Okay. So, like these people at the very least have have worked in and around government for a long time and they they are competent. I hate them, but they're competent. Marco Rubio, he's evil, but he's good at it. He can do things confidently without, you know, spitting crumbs
Nathan Brady: Except
Mike Smith: everywhere.
Nathan Brady: he's in this he's in this chat, you know?
Mike Smith: He's
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: gonna get
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: hung up with it. Sure. Like,
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: he's like that that idiot headset's going to get me hanged. But I don't think it was Ruby. Rubio under normal circumstances understands how to keep political pressure off of himself and to a lesser extent so does so does Pam Bondi but Pete Hegsth is just some idiot who was on Fox so he doesn't know how to do anything effectively other than drink.

00:30:40

Nathan Brady: Well, come on, man. That's not fair. Also, harass women. He's
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: He
Mike Smith: forgot
Nathan Brady: was
Mike Smith: about the harassing women
Nathan Brady: He
Mike Smith: apparently.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: Well, he's
Nathan Brady: Uh,
Mike Smith: not very good at that either because of all the uh allegations
Nathan Brady: okay.
Mike Smith: that
Nathan Brady: That
Mike Smith: are creeping up.
Nathan Brady: That's fair. Okay. Um, we'll continue to follow this story. We have a thousand stories that we're tracking.
Mike Smith: It was
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: obviously still developing. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: yeah. Uh so we'll we'll have more news on this soon. Um I I want to move to our next item which is um it's funny. Yesterday we were we were having a conversation with somebody in the morning who watched the uh the documentary No Other Land um and highly recommended it. And we I I haven't seen it yet. I don't know if you have.

00:31:22

Nathan Brady: It's definitely on my my list. Um, and then
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: later
Mike Smith: the one
Nathan Brady: that day
Mike Smith: it like it won a
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: something
Nathan Brady: won
Mike Smith: or
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: other.
Nathan Brady: won an Oscar for best documentary.
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: Yeah. I was And it was this year, right? Like I'm not a I'm
Nathan Brady: no,
Mike Smith: not a
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: big
Nathan Brady: was
Mike Smith: movie
Nathan Brady: just weeks ago. Literally
Mike Smith: all
Nathan Brady: weeks
Mike Smith: Oh,
Nathan Brady: ago.
Mike Smith: yeah. Okay. So, it's
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. In fact, I don't think it was more than a month. I don't know when the Oscars were. I didn't watch it. Um, but
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: it was it was just a couple weeks ago. And um so he's telling us about that and then you know maybe an hour later um news came in that uh Hamdan Balal which is the uh Palestinian co-director um was attacked by Jewish settlers and you know I I want to say arrested by Israeli forces but really just disappeared right by Israeli forces

00:32:12

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: um and fear was feared dead. his team uh his team
Mike Smith: His
Nathan Brady: released.
Mike Smith: his lawyer did. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Uh
Mike Smith: So,
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: his
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: lawyer
Nathan Brady: think we
Mike Smith: said that that they couldn't get in contact with him through the proper channels with the Israeli government. They weren't releasing any information about him and basically had been left instructions that if this were to happen to release his statement that he had left with his lawyer. And that statement was that he believed that the Israeli government was probably going to murder him.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Um, I mean, this was obviously a lynching. I mean, this was this is I I don't I don't know how I don't know how to do this anymore. I mean, I
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: don't I don't even know how to talk about this anymore because, you know, this man had worked with his co-director who was a, you know, a a Jewish man, um, to, uh, show the plight of the Palestinians in Gaza and the West

00:33:10

Mike Smith: Yep.
Nathan Brady: Bank. Um, and he was he's not a terrorist. He just he just wanted to
Mike Smith: You
Nathan Brady: show
Mike Smith: made
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: a movie.
Nathan Brady: truth. He made he made a damn movie to show the truth about what was happening. Um, and then he was attacked and beaten. Flip the script on this. Okay. Drag a Jewish man out of Israel. um and and you know where where uh Hamas or you know just a group of of Palestinian activists had dragged him out and beaten him. I mean we'd be talking about another 50,000 dead right in in Gaza, right? I mean
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: they'd
Mike Smith: don't
Nathan Brady: be dropping
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: bombs
Mike Smith: don't want to
Nathan Brady: for
Mike Smith: think about
Nathan Brady: months.
Mike Smith: that, but I do think that the level of hypocrisy around that would be pretty staggering to us. Um, we will say, and we'll include it in the show notes, though I don't think we're going to have it here, is that his family also released the video and audio uh at the time when he was attacked by the settlers and then eventually um beaten and arrested by the Israeli forces.

00:34:17

Mike Smith: And it's pretty grim stuff. So, I mean, you know, fair warn trigger warning on that. Just don't watch it if that's if that sounds like it's a bit much for you. I had trouble myself. Um,
Nathan Brady: I mean, we are we where where I this leaves me speechless every time because I don't know where to go. I I
Mike Smith: right. I mean, and it's it is terrifying. So, just give you a sense of it. He's just driving in his car basically and and it someone jumps out in front of him and he's like doesn't want to hit him with his car, right? Then that person is is masked, it turns out, because it's sort of dark, right? He's got his headlights on. They throw a rock at the car and immediately damage the camera that was filming. And then all you hear is audio from that point on as you see like three or four more come out of the shadows. And so it's like, well, you've been I mean, it's just what do you do with that?

00:35:06

Mike Smith: This is like an ambush of a person who's just peacefully driving, living their life. You're driving in your car and then when when you're being attacked by these people, the Israeli forces show up and they claim that you are the instigator. You're the agitator. They arrest you, not these people who were on video attacking you. And and they, like you said, they disappear you. They black you and you're gone. And his family, meanwhile, is left thinking that he's, you know, been murdered by the Israeli government. He's they're never going to see his body. They're never going to hear the end of it. All yesterday
Nathan Brady: So,
Mike Smith: was very very strange long day for everybody at Baltimore.
Nathan Brady: I mean, we got news, we got news today, early this morning, that um he was released. He's on his way to his family. He had been beaten all night. He had been humiliated, blindfolded, uh, handcuffed and beaten um, for making a documentary.
Mike Smith: Yeah. For for the crime of making a movie.

00:36:09

Nathan Brady: Th this
Mike Smith: He's
Nathan Brady: isn't a member of Hamas. Um, so don't don't come at us with that. This isn't somebody that hurt you or hurt anybody. Um,
Mike Smith: not firing guns or missiles or setting off bombs. He has a camera.
Nathan Brady: and and so this is where we're at. And I know people unfortunately that will defend the actions of those settlers and call and just basically say that that Abal was anti-Semitic. Um and and by the way, apparently even though no, he's not anti-Semitic, that still is uh an excuse to to beat and even kill people. Um I can't believe that there I can't believe this. I I
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: don't know what else to say.
Mike Smith: No,
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: it's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: it's it's very shocking. It's it's it's very telling as well. I think that probably this um short interaction, this this terrible thing that that happened to him, uh probably is going to put a lot more light on what's happening in Gaza with peaceful people trying to live their lives and how they're

00:37:17

Nathan Brady: Heat.
Mike Smith: being treated by, you know, this oppressive regime that's trying to continue its genocide so they can have Trump Tower Gaza. There's not
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: much else to say. I mean, you know, thank God he's he's I won't say he's okay, but he's alive and he's been returned to his family.
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: Um
Nathan Brady: we don't I don't think we know or at least I don't uh the extent of his injuries right now. Um, I just want to say I I really appreciate this comment from Cosmic Goober on uh Blue Sky who says, "Nobody is doing more harm to Jewish people than the Israel government." Uh, no, no,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: criticizing these actions is not anti-Semitic. And I think there are um thankfully a lot of um Jewish people in Israel who feel the same way. And there's certainly a lot of Jewish Americans, as we've seen in the protests, um about Mah Khalil and
Mike Smith: Hell
Nathan Brady: his
Mike Smith: yeah.
Nathan Brady: his release, um that that agree with this.

00:38:13

Nathan Brady: At some point, this has to stop. And what's wild to me is the um the instigators, the agitators, you know, um no matter what side of the political aisle you are on, who are not Jewish, don't really have in in a you know, I don't have better words than this, but don't have a dog in the fight. That's a terrible
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: way to put it. Who's,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: you know, who seem to be, you know, uh I think it's they just don't like brown people. So maybe they do have a dog in the fight, right? That seem to be instigating and like say, you know, oh the Jewish uh you know, ah all the Palestinians are terrorists and whatever. This is just this just has to stop and we're going we're it's it's it's too late already. Like I said, there's what 50,000 dead in in Gaza. There's, you
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: know, 20, I think 27 more children were killed in a um in attacks last night.

00:39:07

Mike Smith: Yep.
Nathan Brady: Um it's too late to say um I mean I I just don't know. It's It's
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: just too late. We I
Mike Smith: it
Nathan Brady: don't know
Mike Smith: is.
Nathan Brady: when this is going to stop, but it it's already it's already been too long.
Mike Smith: No. And it's Yeah, it's there's no there's no sense that there will ever be like a seiz fire that will actually maintain peace because it doesn't seem like that's Israel's goal. They don't want peace to prevail. They don't want people returning to Gaza. So people are trying to get back to their homes and they don't want that. Even if their homes are rubble, they still want to go back and try and rebuild and they don't want that.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Okay. Um, hey, let's move on. Um,
Mike Smith: Just so everyone knows that I wrote in our m in our notes was the uplifting piece. So
Nathan Brady: oh, no,
Mike Smith: take the take

00:40:09

Nathan Brady: no,
Mike Smith: with that what
Nathan Brady: no.
Mike Smith: you will.
Nathan Brady: Okay. No, here's here. Let's go a little bit more let's go a little bit more uplifting. Okay. We'll
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: we'll we'll do this story next then.
Mike Smith: All right.
Nathan Brady: Uh oh, don't share our notes. Geez,
Mike Smith: We'll
Nathan Brady: shared
Mike Smith: share
Nathan Brady: all
Mike Smith: those
Nathan Brady: of our
Mike Smith: later.
Nathan Brady: notes. Yeah, those those are just our notes that go in the in the uh YouTube video at the end. But here's the link for um what I wanted to share. Bernie Sanders and AOC rallies are pissing off Elon Musk. This is this is hilarious. First of all, um Bernie Sanders and AOC are fighting like nobody else is fighting. Um they they are they are Bern Bernie Sanders even said in an interview the other day, somebody asked him if he was going to run for president again. He's like, I'm 80s something years old and I'm f****** tired.

00:40:55

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: He's like,
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: "You've
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: been doing
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: this for a long time.
Nathan Brady: and it's true. Why? First of all, why is it taking this man um to go on this tour on this fight fight oligarchy tour um who he is he is uh tired he's in his 80s he's working nights and weekends on top of you know what he's doing AOC is now joining him why is it taking him where are the rest of the lead I think I ask this on every episode where are our leaders in the Democratic
Mike Smith: or anyone. I mean, AOC
Nathan Brady: and literally anyone.
Mike Smith: is even really considered a leader in the Democratic establishment. Bernie certainly isn't, but like where are the rests uh to rally around this very obvious uh uh calling to fight oligarchy? That should be an easy W for somebody like like um not Chuck Schumer, but uh Hakee Jeff.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: That's that's a simple one to just get on the news and be like, "Wow, they're doing a really good job of of spreading awareness about the dangers of oligarchy and the billionaire class that we're fighting against."

00:42:07

Mike Smith: It's a simple oneliner that any any uh political strategist will tell you to get on, you know, Meet the Press or whatever and say it. It's a simple one, but where where is anybody else like what are they doing,
Nathan Brady: Yeah. So, I you know what's what's really interesting to me is that we're in an off election year. Um
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: so, right, we're not no
Mike Smith: Bring
Nathan Brady: midterms
Mike Smith: it down
Nathan Brady: this
Mike Smith: here.
Nathan Brady: year, no presidential election, and they have both um I think that the rally um where was it? Was it Arizona or was it Colorado
Mike Smith: Colorado.
Nathan Brady: had 43,000 around 43,000 people which would be the biggest rally of both of their political careers which is wild
Mike Smith: You're talking
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: about
Nathan Brady: me.
Mike Smith: a rally that like most major league ball clubs can't pull. Like
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: that's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: those are numbers. That's filling Dodger Stadium basically.

00:42:55

Nathan Brady: And literally it was it's not like it was a you know month two month planned in advanced. it. These
Mike Smith: No.
Nathan Brady: were like fairly short notice um rallies and we're talking about beating the stadiums that he was filling in uh when he was running in 2016 in 2020. Um that's wild. Uh
Mike Smith: Just tells me that people still aren't done with Bernie and his messaging. they they still believe that he's the popular populist whatever candidate and his messaging resonates with them. I know that Bernie still resonates with me and all of
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: his
Nathan Brady: right.
Mike Smith: his platform is the one that I go yes
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: this is what we want. This is what people who are even Republicans want these simple things.
Nathan Brady: Right. Um
Mike Smith: I think the funny thing about the Republican voting voting class is that they often hear you always hear them getting loud about the liberal elites and the left coast elitists and the and like you literally put a billionaire from the left coast in charge of the government.

00:44:00

Mike Smith: What are you talking about? You are not for uh any of the small people. You're for the elites. The Republicans are the elitists now, right? Like get
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: Bernie
Nathan Brady: mean,
Mike Smith: in there. Get the working class in there.
Nathan Brady: Republicans have no idea what they stand for anymore. They they they literally stand for whatever their their their leader tells them to stand for and that's it. So, they
Mike Smith: There
Nathan Brady: used
Mike Smith: are
Nathan Brady: to be
Mike Smith: I'll concede that there are some who are that way, but I still think that there are a bunch of like workingclass Republicans who just don't think the Democrats stand for the working class. And I, you know, political ideologies aside, I can see that. Okay. And Trump, for all of his faults, says that he's gonna fight for the working class. It's a lie, but that's what he says. And then he puts a billion the world's richest man in charge of most of the government.

00:44:47

Mike Smith: So, I mean, if I'm if if I'm Bernie and I was 10 years younger, I'm starting my my 28 campaign today and I'm doing exactly this and I'm reaching out to everyone I can, right? left and I'm saying he the billionaires, the all I'm doing the hand gestures, the oligarchs are taking over the government. We need workingclass people like you to benefit from the government, not the other way around. And his messaging always lands. Doesn't matter. Unless you're super wealthy, you like Bernie's platform.
Nathan Brady: I mean nothing I mean truly everything about what he's saying resonates with people and there all of the policies that he has he has uh championed have been some of the most uh popular policies uh across both sides of the aisle in the
Mike Smith: Could
Nathan Brady: United
Mike Smith: you imagine?
Nathan Brady: States,
Mike Smith: Imagine this in 2015
Nathan Brady: if you will.
Mike Smith: in the primary section,
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: right, where
Nathan Brady: yep.
Mike Smith: Bernie's doing the on average we get $27
Nathan Brady: $27, right?

00:45:47

Mike Smith: from small donations from families and individuals and workingclass people like you. And then you turn it around to today and you go, Trump got $250 million from billionaire Elon Musk.
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: What's Elon Musk getting out of this? And then now you're like, he runs the government. He's literally, you know, cyber daddy to the fat orange guy.
Nathan Brady: I mean, he's he's made like 10x his money back, right? He's got billions of dollars in contracts going
Mike Smith: It's
Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: so
Nathan Brady: Starlink
Mike Smith: obviously
Nathan Brady: and SpaceX
Mike Smith: corrupt
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: and simple to see. Even like even the dumbest people should be able to see this. And I think
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: Bernie had great messaging that way. He could tell it to people in a way that they could understand it.
Nathan Brady: But the but there is but yeah unfortunately there is a lot of people out there are a lot of people out there who just he they wanted that they were team Elon and and believe in Elon.

00:46:41

Nathan Brady: They believe Elon can fix all of the things. Um and so now that he's won, now that he's got his hands
Mike Smith: Sure.
Nathan Brady: in everything, they're cheering him on, but they don't see they no matter how much you try and tell them, they're they're stuck in it. They're in that cult. They won't. They they they just can't break free. How do you reach those people? I don't I don't think you do.
Mike Smith: You don't I mean, you know, those those people are in the same pocket as him. They they are. So, it's it's a lot of what you're seeing about um like crypto scams and stuff. It's like since it's all vibe based now, you will you tie up a lot of your money in the Tesla stock and you think I want Elon to succeed because then that means that his company will succeed which will make me a lot of money. And I sort of agree with a lot of his his positioning and I can kind of see that like a lot of Republicans feel that the federal government is too big uh too invasive.

00:47:35

Mike Smith: It has its hands in too many things and Elon just promised to cut everything. And so if you've got, you know, some shares in Tesla and you believe in Daddy Musk and you want them to cut the government anyway, then that's all very appealing to you.
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: So how do you get it? How do you reach them? You don't. You make them eventually they'll feel all of these cuts because it will cut them at some point, right? Because all of these services are made for the people by the people. So eventually we're going to have this. It's going to be who's left holding the bag, right? Elon will have cut and moved on to the next thing. Tos Tesla stocks will be high. You'll have some money, but you you know, you're not going to have as much as him for sure.
Nathan Brady: So, I want to um I want to play a political ad for somebody who is running for Congress that I believe this is this should be the cookie cutter ad everybody needs to do.

00:48:35

Nathan Brady: So, if you're if you're looking to run um and if if you want to break through, if you want to beat the current establishment, what this girl is doing is going to end up being the gold standard. I mean, this is the this is the next group of AOCC's. Um,
Mike Smith: This
Nathan Brady: and
Mike Smith: is the
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: new
Nathan Brady: think,
Mike Smith: game.
Nathan Brady: yeah, this is the new gang, and I think I think she's she's going to pull it off. And I believe that if people do this, follow this model, they're going to have a great chance as well. So, let me uh pull
Mike Smith: All right,
Nathan Brady: that up
Mike Smith: let's
Nathan Brady: and play
Mike Smith: hear
Nathan Brady: this
Mike Smith: it.
Nathan Brady: for you.
Mike Smith: I'm
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: ready.
Nathan Brady: it's it's a couple it's two minutes, so bear with us. But but uh I I love what she has to say. So, let's let's see here.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: me here in Chicago to

00:49:17

Nathan Brady: Okay,
Nathan Brady's Presentation: ask about
Nathan Brady: hold
Nathan Brady's Presentation: my me
Nathan Brady: on. We'll
Nathan Brady's Presentation: on Musk
Nathan Brady: start over.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: are dismantling our Donald
Nathan Brady: Here
Nathan Brady's Presentation: Trump
Nathan Brady: we
Nathan Brady's Presentation: and
Nathan Brady: go.
Nathan Brady's Presentation: Elon Musk are dismantling our country piece by piece and so many Democrats seem content to just sit back and let him. So I say it's time to drop the excuses and grow a f****** spine. I'm Katabazale and I'm running for Congress in Illinois's 9th district. Unfortunately, this party has become one where you have to look to the exceptions for real leadership as the majority work from an outdated playbook. We need a makeover, which means we need a vision that's bigger than what we've been told is possible. There is absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able to afford housing, groceries, and healthcare with some money left over. Families should have free child care. Social Security should be expanded.

00:49:59

Nathan Brady's Presentation: And our inalienable rights shouldn't be dependent on who's in power. That means standing up to authoritarians, not shrinking away when the fight gets tough. And while current Democratic leadership might be fine cowering to Trump, I'm not. I've spent my entire career reporting on the far right and being attacked by them as a result. In fact, just a few months ago, Elon Musk's lawyers deposed me here in Chicago to ask about my mean tweets. Look, I thought comedy was legal again. This is all to say, I'm not scared of standing up to these people. I know how they think and I know how to beat them. But my campaign itself is going to be different, too, because I don't want to wait a year to help people. We're focused on meeting constituent needs with one simple rule. What if we didn't suck? My campaign and I would rather spend our money on book drives and clothing exchanges and public events than fancy fundraisers for rich donors.

00:50:47

Nathan Brady's Presentation: I also want my campaign to be as transparent as possible. That's why I'll be posting regular videos about the costs and steps of running for office. We all deserve better. We deserve human rights and financial freedom and a party that stands up to authoritarians. We deserve to thrive, not just survive. And I plan to fight for those ideals both on the campaign trail and in Congress. If you want to know more about me and what I believe, you can go to catforillinois.com. I do need to mention that campaigns cost money and ask you to contribute what you can, but I promise your donation will not be wasted on old ineffective tactics. No spammy guilt trip texts, no focus groups to test my views, and no grifty consultants who care more about their paycheck than actually winning. It's time to challenge the status quo. And if our leaders won't do it, we will. I'm Katazali, and I'm running for Congress because it's time for Democrats to do more.

00:51:37

Nathan Brady's Presentation: Donald
Nathan Brady: I mean,
Nathan Brady's Presentation: Trump
Nathan Brady: if if I if I were to wake up in the morning and decide that it was I'm going to run for Congress like the time is now, that
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: is the message.
Mike Smith: that's your
Nathan Brady: That's it
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: right
Mike Smith: your
Nathan Brady: there.
Mike Smith: your uh what do you call it? Your uh your script to build off
Nathan Brady: Right. I mean that that's it right there. I mean and that's that's something that I've always thought about and could not could not have done a better job I think than cat in
Mike Smith: before we dig into this a little bit
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: more and I think this is super interesting but I want to I just want to ask a question of you that's more like a philosophical one.
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: have have in years past in I'll say decades past at this point really there were only two true mechanisms to communicating directly with constituency.

00:52:25

Mike Smith: it was cable news networks ostensibly
Nathan Brady: Yep.
Mike Smith: and then uh print media, right?
Nathan Brady: Okay. Yep.
Mike Smith: Are we finally at the point where direct comms with constituencies uh is a viable tactic and probably even maybe more viable than the
Nathan Brady: When
Mike Smith: legacy
Nathan Brady: you say direct
Mike Smith: is
Nathan Brady: coms, do you mean like through your own social media,
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: Tik
Mike Smith: this
Nathan Brady: Tok,
Mike Smith: one here.
Nathan Brady: things like
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: that?
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: assume
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: that this is a tweet that she started and it's on her Facebook and people share it and and all these other things and I'm wondering if you know that's the mechanism moving forward that that
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: campaigns
Nathan Brady: mean, it's
Mike Smith: are going
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: to need to leverage.
Nathan Brady: No, that's that's now. That's the now. I mean, even even
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: unfortunately
Mike Smith: So, so one step back

00:53:12

Nathan Brady: awkwardly.
Mike Smith: are Democrats playing from behind on this? Like I feel like
Nathan Brady: Awkwardly,
Mike Smith: I think so.
Nathan Brady: yeah. I mean, I think it was pointed out in this uh in this past uh election, in the presidential election, Donald Trump awkwardly was doing better at Tik Tok. He was doing better at
Mike Smith: and his his his messaging was never uh a voice overlay of video thing. I mean, he did commercials that way on the legacy media and stuff like that, but when he was direct to constituents via Tik Tok, via Twitter, via truth social, all these things, it was almost always his voice speaking to you in the same way that the cat here has where she's talking to you in an individual level as opposed to uh Donald Trump wants to do all this stuff. Camala Harris da da da and like that's the blurb that you would have seen on the Camala Harris, you know, Twitter account or Facebook page. But and in fact, you know who was I'm thinking about Bernie again.

00:54:15

Mike Smith: Bernie was speaking that way in the 2015. He came out on on at the time Twitter and Facebook and he would speak one-on-one in that same fashion of like this is what we need to do. Here's how we're going to do it. Talking to you directly and then he would get small donations from people. And I'm wondering if just the the mainstream elected Democrat class just hasn't caught on to that that mechanism yet.
Nathan Brady: Bernie is literally on
Mike Smith: He's
Nathan Brady: Twitch for God's sakes. I mean, Bernie Sanders is on Twitch. So, yeah. No, I don't think
Mike Smith: like, "We
Nathan Brady: like
Mike Smith: need to we need to build up this tower in Fortnite here." I'm not sure what that means, but I'm trying.
Nathan Brady: look, if you can't imagine your your representative doing that, being on Twitch, being on Tik Tok,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: being on
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: whatever, then they're done. Okay? If you can't imagine Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi doing that, they

00:55:04

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: don't belong here anymore. They're not
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: they
Mike Smith: it
Nathan Brady: they've
Mike Smith: speaks to
Nathan Brady: done
Mike Smith: how out of touch they are.
Nathan Brady: they are out of touch. I mean,
Mike Smith: Wow,
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: that's really interesting.
Nathan Brady: I believe that AOC could hold a virtual town hall on
Mike Smith: She
Nathan Brady: Zoom,
Mike Smith: does. She
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: does
Nathan Brady: know,
Mike Smith: all
Nathan Brady: but
Mike Smith: the
Nathan Brady: but
Mike Smith: time where she
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: gets on on
Nathan Brady: she gets on Instagram live or
Mike Smith: Yeah, exactly.
Nathan Brady: whatever and she does all of these things and you can't see other people. I mean, you saw even JD Vance try to do it and he was like there's a video of him like the his name or something was coming in mirrored um on on on
Mike Smith: I didn't see that one.
Nathan Brady: so he flipped he was trying to like flip it upside down.

00:55:41

Nathan Brady: He couldn't understand why it was coming. It was just it was just so obvious that
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: he
Mike Smith: good.
Nathan Brady: he he just wasn't right for the he wasn't fit for this. And I want to be fair before I say that Donald Trump was doing it right. The there's I'm going to share a little infographic here of how of why Donald Trump was so much better on social media um this time around than Kl Harris was. Um, and it's just because of the uh the accounts that get the most views on X were all sharing uh Donald Trump information for him. So obviously um on this infographic for for those of you that are listening Elon Musk is this gigantic sunlike you
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: know thing in and there's only there's a couple Barack Obama is like earth's moon but then the other big accounts are like libs of tik tok is freaking Jupiter cat turd
Mike Smith: Yeah. and
Nathan Brady: you know
Mike Smith: cat turd.
Nathan Brady: calling
Mike Smith: Yeah,

00:56:42

Nathan Brady: cat turd
Mike Smith: Charlie,
Nathan Brady: has 10 times the amount of reach as Barack Obama I mean uh you know it's
Mike Smith: I I still say, you know, take a lot of this with a grain of salt because Twitter has historically had a bot problem and Elon Musk's takeover only made that worse, especially with his move to monetize uh in impressions. So there's certainly something here. I don't know that it's at the the scale that we're seeing, but I agree that their voices are certainly magnified when compared with people on the left.
Nathan Brady: right?
Mike Smith: Um, but I, you know, it makes me wonder about just this type of uh media presence as it as it stands to politicians because again in the past you would have to go on news. I mean, this elected politicians still go on, you know, Meet the Press and all these other things to to to state their views, and they have to do it in a live setting, which is completely different than obviously I like Cat's messaging. I think she did a good job, but there were there were 40 cuts in that two-minute video.

00:57:51

Mike Smith: So, you know, that that that could I'm not saying that's a problem. I'm just saying like it's completely different than doing it live.
Nathan Brady: No.
Mike Smith: Um
Nathan Brady: And I and yeah, I'm uh you know, you want to see how how well she performs under pressure under those live
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: things.
Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. And
Nathan Brady: But
Mike Smith: that's why it's important we have like debates and and we we
Nathan Brady: yeah,
Mike Smith: ask hard questions of these people at the podium and we make them speak about their their views.
Nathan Brady: but I
Mike Smith: It's
Nathan Brady: will tell
Mike Smith: one
Nathan Brady: you
Mike Smith: of the reasons
Nathan Brady: that.
Mike Smith: why I thought it was so so much more important that the media point out how bad it is that Trump pulled out of the second debate because he got absolutely crushed in the first debate. He looked like a geriatric idiot and he said, "Well, I can't do that again." And then didn't and they didn't hold him over the fire for it.

00:58:34

Nathan Brady: So, I will say it's a lot easier um because you know when you watched when you watch people like Kla Harris um I'm I'm
Mike Smith: who
Nathan Brady: trying to
Mike Smith: has a
Nathan Brady: Hillary
Mike Smith: who
Nathan Brady: Clinton
Mike Smith: is a good a good live speaker. I mean, we
Nathan Brady: she is
Mike Smith: need
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: to say
Nathan Brady: well
Mike Smith: she is sometimes sometimes, you know, she uh goes off script and that's not always the best for her. She gets some bad optics from that,
Nathan Brady: but
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: that's
Mike Smith: but she's prepped well and she can speak to it.
Nathan Brady: well that's the problem. As soon as you're given a question where you have to decide, okay, my answer here, I I have somebody in my ear, you know, my my strategist going,
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: you know, your answer here can alienate this and alienate that. And, you know, that's where
Mike Smith: sure.
Nathan Brady: you start to see like the, you know, the you know, like the thinking, the smoke,

00:59:24

Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: the whatever. People like AOC, people like Cat, people like Bernie Sanders, they are so true to themselves and their values that they don't have to stop and think about how is this going to look. They just believe what they believe in and that's the end of it. And so
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I mean I think that authenticity is what people want and and sadly what people got from Donald Trump. They got
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: an authenticity from
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: him that even though it was
Mike Smith: He
Nathan Brady: a
Mike Smith: was
Nathan Brady: lie,
Mike Smith: authentically evil. He
Nathan Brady: it
Mike Smith: He's
Nathan Brady: was a
Mike Smith: like,
Nathan Brady: lie that
Mike Smith: "I
Nathan Brady: he
Mike Smith: authentically
Nathan Brady: believed it.
Mike Smith: want
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: to deport all of the
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: brown people." And people
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: were like,
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: "Great.
Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

01:00:03

Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: want to vote for that."
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Exactly.
Mike Smith: And they believed that he believed it because he does.
Nathan Brady: Right. Yeah.
Mike Smith: So, I don't know. I I that was It's a tie. I like I'd like to talk about cats some more, but I just I wanted to go down that little uh detour and just sort of think about this idea of like politicians, you know, campaigning and acting more like uh like influencers. so to speak, where they're speaking directly to a constituent one-on-one in that way and and and making it a more tailored and vibe, you know,
Nathan Brady: Well,
Mike Smith: centric
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: experience,
Nathan Brady: I I absolutely love the idea of not taking co corporate donations. I love the idea of doing these grassroots campaigns. The only thing I worry about, okay, is there's not always
Mike Smith: John
Nathan Brady: going to be
Mike Smith: Federerman.
Nathan Brady: enough money to go around.
Mike Smith: Oh.
Nathan Brady: uh you know, if you have

01:00:55

Mike Smith: Sure.
Nathan Brady: all of these grassroots campaigns coming up, how easily are you going to get smashed by Apac, by Republican donor, you you know, donors and things like that? You're going to get outspent. It's you got to be able to use the money that you have um efficiently and effectively.
Mike Smith: For
Nathan Brady: Uh,
Mike Smith: sure.
Nathan Brady: and and I think that Cat Cat's ideas are are really going to help set the tone for more people to do this, especially
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: if
Mike Smith: and
Nathan Brady: she
Mike Smith: she has an
Nathan Brady: do like
Mike Smith: audience,
Nathan Brady: she says.
Mike Smith: right?
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: So, I
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: mean, the idea is that she's moving from that position of sort of like sociopolitical commentator, influence or whatever,
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: into a political position or a campaign that she started. So, she's got some backing there, be it monetary or just just familiarity from an audience to
Nathan Brady: Right.
Mike Smith: try and like push her over that next hurdle into the realm of a political candidate and being able to speak to larger swaths of of the voter base.

01:01:57

Mike Smith: But even still, she's talking about a con congressional district in what was it was a it was uh
Nathan Brady: Illinois.
Mike Smith: Illinois's
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: sixth.
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: Is that it?
Nathan Brady: nine or six. Maybe we should probably find out. Nine. It was nine. Yeah, we should
Mike Smith: Okay.
Nathan Brady: we should probably uh Yeah, but it's nine. I'm going to create a new list on our um on our blue sky for uh candidates to to watch in the
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: um
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: in
Mike Smith: we
Nathan Brady: the
Mike Smith: should
Nathan Brady: upcoming
Mike Smith: do that.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. So, I'll create a new list for that right now. Um and we'll we'll throw her on there. Uh let's see. We'll call it uh midterm candidates.
Mike Smith: probably put a year on there. Don't be
Nathan Brady: Uh
Mike Smith: around on doing this for a while.
Nathan Brady: what what what is it?

01:02:41

Nathan Brady: 2026, right?
Mike Smith: It'll be 26.
Nathan Brady: Um okay. And then we'll start we'll we'll add her there and
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: we'll
Mike Smith: I've
Nathan Brady: start.
Mike Smith: added a write up on her to our show notes, too. So, look forward
Nathan Brady: Okay,
Mike Smith: to that, everybody.
Nathan Brady: cool. Um so yeah, so I mean I think that was our update. I'm I'm ex reason
Mike Smith: I
Nathan Brady: one of the
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: core
Mike Smith: it.
Nathan Brady: reasons one of the core reasons I'm excited for her is that she's also said she's going to document kind of her process to make it easier for people like her um to go to go through these grassroots campaign. I want the Democratic establishment to realize that we've had enough,
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: okay? That the old the James Carville way of doing things is not working. It's not enough. We've literally f we've listened to you guys for decades. Now we've got full-blown authoritarianism.

01:03:30

Nathan Brady: So can
Mike Smith: Yeah,
Nathan Brady: we can we can
Mike Smith: we've
Nathan Brady: we
Mike Smith: got
Nathan Brady: f******
Mike Smith: a problem now.
Nathan Brady: we seriously we had what was supposed to be the defining president of generations and Barack Obama and we got Obamacare out of it but really I mean here we are. So
Mike Smith: We need to
Nathan Brady: um
Mike Smith: talk about Obamacare at some point because I've got an axe to grind there, but I think it goes beyond the scope of this particular episode.
Nathan Brady: Yeah, I think it does. Um, I mean, speaking of which, we're we're at about an hour even though we had we had a lot more to talk about, but we can save for either later this week or or
Mike Smith: We had a
Nathan Brady: next
Mike Smith: lot to
Nathan Brady: week.
Mike Smith: say about the last day.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean, really, we only got
Mike Smith: We
Nathan Brady: to two
Mike Smith: usually
Nathan Brady: or three
Mike Smith: like
Nathan Brady: things
Mike Smith: to

01:04:12

Nathan Brady: today.
Mike Smith: cover about a week and then we're like, "Good Lord, yesterday we had to do everything from yesterday."
Nathan Brady: Yeah, yesterday was a day. Um, so I think we'll wrap here and we will continue on. Um, we'll continue on. I don't know, maybe we'll do one. It's my birthday on Thursday. Maybe we'll do a birthday episode.
Mike Smith: Oh, happy
Nathan Brady: I don't
Mike Smith: birthday
Nathan Brady: know. Hey, thanks so much. Um, you know, for my birthday, if you guys wouldn't mind um, uh, sending me tons of cash. No, just like and subscribe. Like and subscribe
Mike Smith: Share
Nathan Brady: is
Mike Smith: with your friends.
Nathan Brady: I'll take I'll share like, subscribe, follow us on Blue Sky. Um, you can go to blue-ashed.com to find all of our episodes there, as well as all of our social links. We are not on the Nazi platform, so don't look for us there.
Mike Smith: Don't
Nathan Brady: Um,
Mike Smith: look there. Yeah.

01:04:58

Nathan Brady: yeah, and and that's it for today. Thanks for joining us, and we'll catch you all next week.
Mike Smith: Thanks everybody.
Nathan Brady: Bye. All right.
Mike Smith: surprisingly upbeat ending. I I really wish you didn't keep this red thing shared on me. I look like an
Nathan Brady: Oh,
Mike Smith: Oompa Loompa.
Nathan Brady: sorry. You look
Mike Smith: That's
Nathan Brady: good.
Mike Smith: all right. I switched my tab to this one and I I I can't tell because it's from a thumb,
Nathan Brady: That
Mike Smith: but
Nathan Brady: one's
Mike Smith: this like
Nathan Brady: better.
Mike Smith: kind of white flashes me. So
Nathan Brady: I need I have a ring light which I need to put so that it over uh
Mike Smith: shadows, all that. Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. all of the changes that are going on with the uh
Mike Smith: Yeah. with the screen and the tabs and
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: everything.
Nathan Brady: Exa. Exactly.
Mike Smith: Yeah, that's my next thing I'm looking into.

01:05:38

Mike Smith: I have uh my desk at work set up the way that I like it better than I have it here. So, I think I'm going to probably take maybe the weekend or something and redo like my monitors and my desk and all the crap on it somehow. I'm not really sure how yet. and then uh lower everything so that instead of my my camera being up here, it'll be more like here so I can look dead into it.
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: And
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: then like you, I want to have like above I want to have like a ring light either coming down or coming through like around
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: my main monitor. So
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: I'll I'll do something like that. I just I need to figure it out.
Nathan Brady: Oh, let me stop taking notes here.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: Uh,
Mike Smith: Can you stop taking notes, please?
Nathan Brady: let me uh take this. Dina's asking me something you might also have an answer to or provide some insight for.

01:06:28

Nathan Brady: So, hold on a second.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: She says, "We've got new biz conversations going with Tony for the center field thing. I need some clarity. I know I worked with Jessica and Lisa with their new company PMX, but that TE Te had worked with them via Hostco when they were with their previous company. Tony
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: made it seem like TE sourced a resource from that previous company for Hostco. No.
Mike Smith: No,
Nathan Brady: Yeah.
Mike Smith: whatever the company was. We worked with Ka and maybe you worked with one more like Will. I don't remember. And then now they're PMX and we worked with uh Allan, Tony and I worked with Cara. Oh, and maybe Will. Maybe that's why I think Will.
Nathan Brady: Did Did Tony get Cara the job at Did Tony get them in at Clara?
Mike Smith: Yes.
Nathan Brady: Okay.
Mike Smith: Oh, I actually don't know the answer to that. That's a definite possibility though because we did work with them for that when they were with the consulting corp or whatever they were before

01:07:37

Nathan Brady: the product console.
Mike Smith: product consult. There you go. But I I think that's all I've got on on that.
Nathan Brady: Yeah. Okay. They were already there at Hosco when we got there.
Mike Smith: You see all the Jeypity and Gemini news of today?
Nathan Brady: Uh, I haven't. What's going
Mike Smith: uh
Nathan Brady: on?
Mike Smith: 4.0 image generation. I'll just link you because you're gonna
Nathan Brady: What's image generation? What do you mean?
Mike Smith: where you go text to image
Nathan Brady: Text to image. Okay, it got better.
Mike Smith: and then and then there's a new Gemini out uh 2.5 um but it's it's pro only as I understand it and it
Nathan Brady: Oh, it's
Mike Smith: dominates
Nathan Brady: there. Thank you.
Mike Smith: it uh yeah it straight up dominates. It's the opposition.
Nathan Brady: Oh, what opposition?
Mike Smith: Sonnet's
Nathan Brady: Okay,
Mike Smith: sonnet's still like the best in terms of actually I'm not really sure. Anyway,
Nathan Brady: show me coding live codebench 70.4 about the same.

01:09:07

Nathan Brady: Wait, what?
Mike Smith: yeah, mathematics, science, reasoning. I don't see live codebench. You see live codebench?
Nathan Brady: It's live live codeench v5 from this article you linked. It's like the It's not the best there. 03 mini is the best there.
Mike Smith: Oh, it's in this picture. That's why I couldn't search for
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: it. Yeah. 04 03 Mini is good at that. So is Grock, allegedly.
Nathan Brady: allegedly.
Mike Smith: Yeah.
Nathan Brady: I mean, it's third parties doing these benchmarks usually. So,
Mike Smith: Well, and so they haven't said this yet, but after they did their Gemini 2 release, they did a Gemini 2 Flash, which is like cents on the dollar to run. And it's and and it was basically better than at the time Sonnet 35 and and 40 and 40 MIDI and all that stuff in terms of like code gen and junk. And it's fast as hell. So they were like like uh Theo for instance couldn't shut up about it.

01:10:12

Mike Smith: And so Gemini 25 may mean that there may be a Gemini 25 flash coming you know on its heels eventually. But we will have to cross that bridge when we get it. What? When we get to it. How about I use that phrase correctly? There was some other announcements at uh OpenAI. I'm trying to remember what it was. image gen. Oh, audio models. Is that today? March 20th. That was a few days ago, actually. Uh, and then aentic stuff. Anyway, I'm going to play with image generation a little bit. I want to see if it can actually generate some like real world, like real human looking stuff. Um, I'll probably use that for like the Rezip marketing page that I'm working on.
Nathan Brady: Where? Where can I Is this just in the UI?
Mike Smith: I don't know. I'm
Nathan Brady: I
Mike Smith: in UI.
Nathan Brady: want to I
Mike Smith: Let
Nathan Brady: want
Mike Smith: me

01:11:13

Nathan Brady: to
Mike Smith: look.
Nathan Brady: test it.
Mike Smith: Yeah, sure. Uh, shame.
Nathan Brady: probably still just won't let me do images of Yeah.
Mike Smith: in 40.
Nathan Brady: No. Of people.
Mike Smith: It won't let you do it of specific people, but my understanding is that if you say make a human blah blah blah.
Nathan Brady: Well, that's not helpful cuz everyone else is allowing it. Albert, come on.
Mike Smith: What did Albert do?
Nathan Brady: I'm breaking stuff but then fixing it quickly.
Mike Smith: Well,
Nathan Brady: But it just means I have to keep doing deploys.
Mike Smith: yeah. Well, I don't think that uh this has been made public yet, I guess.
Nathan Brady: Okay, makes sense.
Mike Smith: uh rolls out to plus pro and team and free as the default will be coming soon to enterprise and edu
Nathan Brady: rolls out when?
Mike Smith: starting today.
Nathan Brady: Oh.
Mike Smith: Oh, I don't know. Maybe it's a a roll out. Roll out. Is there like more models? I don't know. I got to go to the kid and then I got to go pick up that boy.
Nathan Brady: Yes,
Mike Smith: So, anyway,
Nathan Brady: people
Mike Smith: you're aware now.
Nathan Brady: I'm gonna see if it'll create image temp like borders for me because I want to fix our
Mike Smith: Oh, yeah. Dope. Try
Nathan Brady: Yeah,
Mike Smith: that out.
Nathan Brady: so we'll
Mike Smith: All right.
Nathan Brady: see what it does. All right, all
Mike Smith: Right.
Nathan Brady: right.