Are Vampires Stealing Your Social Security?

ric-vnme-ova (2025-02-17 14:08 GMT-8) - Transcript

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Mike Smith, Nathan Brady, Nathan Brady's Presentation

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Nathan Brady: Wait for the notice to clear.

Mike Smith: Okay, nice.

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Mike Smith: I don't really have any links it's all god,…

Nathan Brady: I mean, How long is that? Yeah, we can play maybe that homeman clip and the response.

Mike Smith: you're going to make me listen to him? I don't know the response though. I'd be interested.

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Mike Smith: Do it.

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Mike Smith: Never stop.

Nathan Brady: She responded on X, unfortunately. …

Mike Smith: I think you mean Twitter, but I'm not sure.

Nathan Brady: I could mean that. maybe he can learn to read. That's not the one that she Damn it. Let me just Give me one more second here because I know where it is because I responded to it. just looking at my terrible replies. yeah, and I want this***, too. So, let me copy that image address and put that here and put this Replies. It's just in my notifications.

Nathan Brady: And I got this, too. All right, I think I'm ready. If you have any links, feel free to drop them. But otherwise, let's get this show on the road.

Mike Smith: Okay, let's road it.

Nathan Brady: Let's rode it. Hey everyone, and welcome to a very special edition. I think all of our podcasts are special editions, but maybe I'm a little biased of the Blue Sedition podcast. This is the President's Day. is this a holiday yet or is that Trump's birthday? Do Have you heard about this?

Mike Smith: I did hear about that.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Yeah, no, this is an actual federal holiday that some people,…

Nathan Brady: This is an actual one. Okay. All right.

Mike Smith: President's Day, they observe it.

Nathan Brady: I'm not going to observe it. I mean, I guess I'm seeing it. I'm noticing that it's here. I'm not celebrating it,…

Nathan Brady:

Mike Smith: Right, right,…

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Nathan Brady: By the way, I'm Nate Brady. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah, you are. And I'm Mike Smith and…

Nathan Brady: And That's Mike Smith. no,…

Mike Smith: together we are Wild Stallion. No, wait. Blues Edition podcast.

Nathan Brady: Blue Sedition.

Mike Smith: That's it.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Okay. We have to practice that more. what we have we have some stuff.

Mike Smith: What an intro.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: What an intro. I think we're getting better at the intros or worse depending on we have some stuff we want to talk about today. I think …

Mike Smith: Did you want to cover that thing briefly?

Mike Smith: the new President's Day holiday.

Nathan Brady: which one? Yeah. I mean, I don't know which idiot representative just introduced this probably on the Absolute ridiculousness, but they introduced a bill to make Trump's birthday a what? federal holiday. yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: I mean, I mean, by the way, somebody pointed out that even Putin's birthday isn't a holiday in Russia, so we're really just going I mean, sucking on the teeth of your Nazi leader. This is so embarrassing. These people are so embarrassing.

Mike Smith: they really are. I mean, it's what the kids would call cringe to me.

Nathan Brady: It is so cringe.

Mike Smith: This is Rep. Claudia Tenny from a Republican from New York.

Nathan Brady: Okay,…

Mike Smith: And so Trump's birthday and…

Nathan Brady: here. Let's Okay.

Mike Smith: Flag Day are the same day.

Mike Smith: So they're making a joint established holiday so that it would be Trump's birthday and Flag Day as the national holiday.

Nathan Brady: Can I ask you a question?

Mike Smith: Please. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I guess it's right here then. I don't know what the* Flag Day is. but I guess the Continental Congress approved the design of the national flag. so it was on that day that they approved it. So that's all that Flag Day is. hey, great great design on your flag. You put f****** some stripes and some stars.

Mike Smith: The stars and…

Nathan Brady: Awesome job.

Mike Smith: stripes. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: So that's what Flag Day is. And unfortunately,…

Nathan Brady: Trump was also born on that day in 1777. Is that accurate?

Mike Smith: Yes. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Okay. Yeah.

Mike Smith: That's more accurate. Yes. Okay.

Nathan Brady: What an idiot. okay.

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Mike Smith: First off, who cares, Give us another day off. I don't give a s***.

Nathan Brady: Whatever. We get flag day off.

Mike Smith: Why not?

Nathan Brady: We don't get flag day off.

Mike Smith: No. Nobody gets flagged day off.

Nathan Brady: Is flag No, it's Flag Day off.

Mike Smith: It's like, you know how there's an official day for every day of the year, right? It's like National Ice Cream Day or…

Nathan Brady: Yeah, Today is National What Day?

Mike Smith: something like that, right? Let's do it.

Nathan Brady: 2025. We can tell you today is national pizza day children's book. No, that can't be right. n it's national cabbage day,…

Mike Smith: That doesn't There you go.

Nathan Brady: everybody. It's …

Nathan Brady: it's also national random acts of kindness day. I did do a random act of kindness. I helped somebody load water into their car today at the grocery outlet bargain market.

Mike Smith: That is so great.

Nathan Brady: So, I didn't even know I did it without knowing it was this day. and then yeah,…

Mike Smith: But Flag Day is like that.

Nathan Brady: I guess it's right.

Mike Smith: Flag Day is just a day to be you said it was the day that the flag was adopted by the Continental Congress. But it's just another one of those days where they're just like we celebrated today.

Nathan Brady: But Congress made it a thing. They were like, "Okay, this will be a nationally observed day." Congress didn't do national cabbage day, right? I don't know…

Mike Smith: I don't know.

Nathan Brady: how any of this s*** works. Somebody tell us…

Mike Smith: Let's see.

Nathan Brady: how National Cabbage Day works,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. So, it's June 14th.

Nathan Brady: right? Okay.

Mike Smith: That is Flag Day, right? June 14th.

Nathan Brady: Mhm. What?

Mike Smith: And okay, Google says flag day. So, hasn't gone into effect yet. This isn't bay whatever of America. What is that thing? Not a Gulf of America. That's what I was trying to say.

Nathan Brady: We got to talk about Gulf of America. Have you seen the news?

Mike Smith: We got to talk about Gulf of America.

Nathan Brady: Have you seen The president of Mexico now threatening to sue Google. yeah.

Mike Smith: Changing it. Really? …

Nathan Brady: Yeah, they're threatening to sue Google if Google continues to show a certain portion of the some of that fine,…

Mike Smith: so Mexico's kind of like some of that is maybe Gulf of America, but this part is ours.

Nathan Brady: but this part, yeah, I don't know. I didn't read the whole story because who can read every** story that's going on right now? This one's weird to me. stick it to Trump, I hope. Stick it to Google. Fine. I don't f* care about the naming. I mean, I'd rather just keep it the Gulf of Mexico. What is the problem? what? Cringe. Cringe.

Nathan Brady:

Mike Smith: Yeah. Why are we doing this?

Nathan Brady: It's the Gulf of Trump's birthday. what are we doing? What is this?

Mike Smith: Yeah. and…

Nathan Brady: Why are we doing any of Yes.

Mike Smith: and you read about Governor Pritsker's thing, Where he renamed Lake Michigan.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Yes. Yes. Did he instruct Did any of the maps actually update?

Mike Smith: So, in response to this nonsense, he renames it to be let me find it really quick. It's like Lake Illinois is what he renames it to. And he's like, "It's official now. You can't I want Google to update the maps." Elon.

Nathan Brady: So I doubt they're all just bending the knee and kissing the ring of our new Nazi leader. I think that's what's going on here. Elon.

Mike Smith: …

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Okay. Right.

Mike Smith: that Nazi.

Mike Smith: We know.

Nathan Brady: You could just say Elon and…

Nathan Brady: we could easily segue into Elon material.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: I just really quickly want to check and…

Mike Smith: since we're doing it live, I'm zooming out on my maps on my phone here…

Nathan Brady: We always do that.

Mike Smith: because I gotta know.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Apple still thinks that it's the Gulf of Mexico and my maps are up to date.

Nathan Brady: Really? I thought I had read that Apple and…

Mike Smith: My Apple Maps,…

Nathan Brady: Google had both changed it already. So I'm Okay.

Mike Smith: my Apple Maps, and I've got an iPhone 16. It still says Gulf of Mexico.

Nathan Brady: All right.*. iPhone 16.

Nathan Brady: Look at you,* capitalist. It doesn't have anything there.

Mike Smith: Big blue.

Mike Smith: That's it.

Nathan Brady: Wait, wait, wait. It's just No,…

Mike Smith: You just got to keep …

Nathan Brady: Dude, Are you sure you're on IMAP?

Mike Smith: It does say that there. Let me double check.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I just did this. I'm my god,…

Mike Smith: it updated in real time. Okay, it does say Gulf of America now.

Nathan Brady: There you go.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Gulf of America.

Nathan Brady: Look at that.

Mike Smith: I'll be god damned.

Mike Smith: This is the worst timeline.

Nathan Brady: It's pretty bad.

Mike Smith: I pulled it up just a second ago. I swear to God it said, " Gulf of Mexico." so yeah, everybody's been in the day.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, everyone's bending the knee. I mean, they were all standing behind him at was Steve Cook Tim Cook there? Was Tim Cook at the inauguration? I don't remember.

Mike Smith: I assume so.

Nathan Brady: I mean,…

Mike Smith: All of the other billionaires were so this is a spreadsheet that he shared a screenshot of.

Nathan Brady: yeah. Yeah. Speaking of billionaires, I want to talk about maybe kind of our main story, but probably not really. This will be hopefully a quick one. So, I don't know, if you've seen this stupid snippet of this Google sheet that Elon shared. and Elon is sensationalizing what's going on here. And by what I'm about to say, there's no way to actually verify that any of this is real. But yeah, that before you hit tweet,…

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Nathan Brady: you can easily just manipulate on your own. This is not an official source of anything…

Mike Smith: Right. …

Nathan Brady: unless you agree that Elon is an official source for anything, which he certainly is not. So what Elon said this is a collection of all of the ages that exist in the social security database that have a field called a death that is marked as false.

Mike Smith: and we know it's not SQL,…

Mike Smith: Because he said they don't use SQL. So, who knows?

Nathan Brady: They said,…

Nathan Brady: "Listen, rword." do you think the government uses sequel, which I think we talked about briefly on the last part.

Mike Smith: Maybe that's why it was so hard to find all this data.

Nathan Brady: Maybe, yeah,…

Mike Smith: They had to pull it out of the books or something.

Nathan Brady: maybe this is handwritten.

Nathan Brady: I don't know. Maybe Big Balls is there with his* feather tip pen and he's writing it down,

Mike Smith: …

Mike Smith: if we take Elon at his word, what I'm to understand here is that at least one person claims to be between the age 360 and…

Nathan Brady: Yes. and 369 years old.

Mike Smith: 3609 and…

Nathan Brady: Yep. Mhm.

Mike Smith: is receiving social security benefits of some form.

Nathan Brady: So no.

Mike Smith: Is that true? Is that what I'm understanding? Right.

Nathan Brady: So that I believe is the implication and as we all know it's the implication that matters. so the implication I believe is Elon threw this out there. my god, look at this.

Mike Smith: for sending condoms to Gaza.

Nathan Brady: People go, much fraud. I did the calculations. We're sending 80 billion to people who are dead or whatever." And then Elon goes, "Think target arrow emoji." So, Here's the truth. if for the people who may need some explaining if you're not technical here's what I imagine is actually going on here if this is true that there is a field called death that is set to false and these are the age ranges of those people that are set to false by the way before social security was even started being handed out some of these ages fine…

Nathan Brady: what I imagine is happening here is that field is probably indicative of something else. Meaning, okay, we haven't received a death record for this person. there's no record of their death is likely what this means. Okay, but what's Right.

Mike Smith: …

Mike Smith: that's why the age then would be like 360 because there's no record of this entry person…

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Mike Smith: who may have existed 360 years ago.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: And then for these other people, this person went missing or there's no certified record of this person's death. I mean, think of the Civil War, think of, World War II, all of that. So, point being is that as Mike and I both know in our field,…

Mike Smith: Yeah.

Nathan Brady: we often have use field again, many different fields in a database, but that doesn't mean that we're using a field in the database for the business logic of a particular thing. So in other words, it is very unlikely that death field is being used in the business logic of calculating or paying out somebody on social security benefits. And as somebody pointed out, I think there is a section where they limit it to they don't pay out anybody that's marked over 120 years old anyway.

Nathan Brady: But not to mention the fact that it's very doubtful that this field has anything to do with paying…

Nathan Brady: because by the way you would be losing I think the number was if you calculated between 120 and 369 something like $220 billion in social security that no what really Yeah.

Mike Smith: The funny thing is that people are so easily duped into things like this.

Mike Smith: you haven't even a modicum of critical thinking and you look at this and go wait a minute are you trying to tell me that there are enough people between the ages of 80 and 89 more people than live in New Jersey that are getting social security from this that doesn't sound quite right…

Nathan Brady: Right. …

Mike Smith: but what do I know I mean even beyond that you have to ask the question of why on earth are you tabulating people above 120

Mike Smith: Why you even go that high?

Nathan Brady: I mean the only reason to do this.

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Mike Smith: I'm with you though. there's some business logic that's missing that they don't understand cuz they're stupid.

Nathan Brady: No, they either don't understand or are intentionally omitting so that they can get their reactions. my god, Doge is doing great work. they're finding raud. I mean, that's all it is. I mean, these influencers that Elon is impregnating that are sharing these tweets are in it just for the sensationalism.

Nathan Brady: It has nothing to do with what they actually believe. some of them are that stupid. and…

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: then certainly a lot of the followers are I wouldn't say stupid, but are being easily manipulated by people who they think understand the situation better than they do,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Right.

Nathan Brady: which is fair.

Mike Smith: Which is I guess that comes down to the heart of it though.

Mike Smith: You're like this data in and of itself. let me preface this. Let us assume that Just as an example, there's no fraud at all in the Social Security Administration or…

Nathan Brady: Okay. Sure.

Mike Smith: any of the payouts that they're giving.

Nathan Brady: Right.

Mike Smith: And then you look at the systems in place in good faith because you're like, we want these to work. We want the people who,…

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Mike Smith: whatever. then you're not like writing code building these programs or databases in a way where you're expecting someone to come along and use them for nefarious purposes. you can't program defensively like that.

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Mike Smith: Someone's going to come and…

Mike Smith: just start summing rows and start figuring out how can I make this look more nefarious than it is.

Nathan Brady: And…

Nathan Brady: it's very so Mike and I both do what are called technical due diligences for companies. And you can very easily, I mean any company from Microsoft to a startup,…

Nathan Brady: any company, you could easily go in and in 30 minutes you can find something that looks like poor data hygiene, poor, coding practices and that if done correctly can look really really bad and…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: to me that's all this is. I think at worst this is probably just poor data hygiene. I mean, I think that's at worst. And then I think when it Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I was just going to say there's a saying that we use a lot in the field which is called Han's razor which ostensibly says do not attribute to malice what can sufficiently be described with ignorance. So re I don't assume that they're doing anything nefarious at face value.

Mike Smith: I assume that somebody or…

Mike Smith: many somebodyies along the way have done something stupid or ignorant or careless or whatever you want that that's just that I think horses. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Absolutely. So I think that is the worst case scenario in this situation and…

Nathan Brady: the best case scenario which is also I think equally likely is that this is a field that is actually tracking something that they're not sharing or that maybe even they don't understand a death record and that has nothing to do with the business logic of social security payouts and benefits. So I to suggest who's benefit?

Nathan Brady: So there's $220 billion dollars unaccounted for. That's just what going to Nancy Pelosy's house. I mean Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah, I don't get the grift.

Mike Smith: They have to have a social security number to withdraw social security services and…

Nathan Brady: And cast those checks and it doesn't Yeah.

Mike Smith: those numbers are associated to people who exist because you have to have been born you have to have a birth certificate in this country to get a social security number associated to it.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. show me a hundred billion dollars over tens of thousands of accounts being sent to the same bank account.

Mike Smith: How does this whole scheme work? Are we in …

Nathan Brady: We're talking right that's just not a real person.

Mike Smith: yeah. Yeah. or the easiest thing to do here, I can see that 360 to 369. You don't have to tell me that's fraudulent. I already know that that's wrong. So that person is long…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Right.

Mike Smith: since dead.

Mike Smith: And they were apparently born before social security was a thing.

Nathan Brady: The United States. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Before the United States was a thing.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: And so let's figure out what that birth certificate is based on their social security number and work backwards and then just that's one person that Elon could be like I can't dox them. They've been dead for 400 years.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Let's just show it to the public in good faith. Here is an example of this one piece of fraud that's very easy to prove and…

Nathan Brady: And by the way,…

Mike Smith: they don't do it for some reason.

Nathan Brady: And I have been guilty of this before, too. I mean, that could just be test data in production. I mean, that could be, what would happen if I put a 360 year old person in here?

Mike Smith: Yeah. my god,…

Nathan Brady: It's not going to break anything, that could literally be testing,…

Mike Smith: you're so right.

Nathan Brady: ?

Mike Smith: …

Nathan Brady: So, no problem.

Mike Smith: I don't know if I can say the story on the air or not. Let me think about this for one second.

Nathan Brady: Let's avoid any stories like that.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Nathan Brady: I know…

Mike Smith: Yeah, you're probably right.

Nathan Brady: where you're going. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I probably shouldn't share this, but there if you add people in good faith and we're were given the option of transparency to come in and review some of this stuff, I'm sure that you could find these innocu reasons for this data. The other thing that I want to say is what's going to happen because of it? just as an example, if this is the claim that this person between the age of 360 and 369 is receiving social security benefits via a social security number that maps to a living person and somehow they're collecting this money.

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Mike Smith: like you said, it's going to a bank account or whatever. Is there a validity check that you can do and then cut them off? if you think it is fraud,…

Nathan Brady: Right. …

Nathan Brady: they'd go to jail. I mean, that's fraud and…

Mike Smith: they're 400 years old.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: and it Yeah. No,…

Mike Smith: They're dead. but at the very least,…

Nathan Brady: but I mean if that is actually math,…

Mike Smith: just stop paying out services to that one if that's the case, right? That seems like something that you would do as the result of an audit that the Social Security Administration administers every month probably. Right.

Nathan Brady: listen, right? Right. So I think the most nefarious possibility here is that there was some programmer and again I doubt this is happening, but there was some programmer or somebody who had access to the data that realized, we're sending checks to anybody. It doesn't matter if their death record is in here. I'm going to throw in a bank account associated with this person,…

Nathan Brady: make it 360 years old, and I' going to that money is just going to keep going to a bunch friends of mine or whatever, And there's no evidence that that's going on. We haven't been shown any of that. Show me actual fraud.

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I want to see a paper trail. I want to see actually money going to either an illegitimate like person,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Right.

Mike Smith: someone pretending to be this 360 year old person, which should be very easy to do because the money's going somewhere.

Nathan Brady: But the money isn't going anywhere right.

Mike Smith: Not somebody shows up at the social security office with their social security number and then says, "Hand me an envelope of dollars, please." that's not how it works.

Nathan Brady: So again I highly doubt this data doesn't mean anything to me without a lot more context understanding the business logic all things like that doesn't mean anything to me.

Mike Smith: Yeah. But that's the problem. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: What I am worried about is the lack of context means that Elon is gearing up for something else and…

Mike Smith: Is winning the optics war at the moment.

Nathan Brady: we know, Absolutely. And there's nothing we can do about it because they're not transparent.

Mike Smith: Because how do you prove a negative? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. They're not transparent. There's nothing that we can do. We cannot prove it unless all ourselves also had access to the same data and systems. there should be an independent audit that can be verified and Doge is not an independent party. and I fear that they're going to use this as part of the talking points for eliminating these type of benefits going forward.

Nathan Brady: As we've seen, Mike Johnson and Republican leaders are now looking to cut back on Medicaid,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: Medicare, Social Security, and I feel like this is just setting up to get their base, including the base of people that receive Social Security, fired up about cutting their own benefits. We've been paying into social security…

Mike Smith: I don't know. the baby boomers right now are all collecting and they're the biggest Republican voter block there are and so I mean I think only they stand to lose when social security goes away but the other thing is that it's like we've all already I mean you and I are in our 40s we've been working a long time and you've seen how many dollars have taken out of every check for social security yeah exactly so I'm like man

Nathan Brady: since I was 16. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, fine. what, Elon? You want to cut me a check for everything that I put into social security?

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Pay me back and we'll call it square. You could do away with it.

Nathan Brady: All right.

Mike Smith: It's a fine,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Everybody give everybody their money back and…

Mike Smith: I guess. Damn. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: let's call it a day, right? Yeah.

Mike Smith: And that's the other thing, too, is because they're the last generation really alive at the moment who paid into Social Security for their entire workforce lifetime and have now began collecting it, right? Because they're older than them or passed away mainly.

Nathan Brady: Right. Right. Right. Right.

Mike Smith: So, if you just turn it off, okay, you're going to have an elderly riot on your hands. but also, you can't even pay them back because they put in more money than anybody else, any other group of agents. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: You can't pay anybody back. I mean, I was being facitious. there's nothing you can do here. So, we're talking about a group of people that often say taxation is fraud.

Nathan Brady: We want to, we give people their taxes back or Sorry.

Mike Smith: Taxation is theft.

Mike Smith: Not fraud,…

Nathan Brady: You're right.

Mike Smith: just theft.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: You're right. I had fraud on the brain. and these people are now going to claim "Hey, thanks for paying all of this money into Social Security. we're just going to get rid of it all together. by the way, extending tax cuts for everybody that makes over $400,000 a year. so basically the people who benefit from Social Security are getting royally f***** by Elon and…

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Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: the Republicans. it really is.

Mike Smith: I think that it's interesting just thinking of in doing that mental exercise of being like what would happen if social security just got turned off tomorrow? what would the country do? how would the populace respond to that?

Mike Smith: I imagine that a lot of people under 50 would be like,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: " I don't want my money being taken away from me every paycheck anymore." Right.

Nathan Brady: I think you're right. but I think there are a lot of people that are over 50 and the ones that are already receiving benefits and the ones that are getting ready to receive benefits that man I don't know.

Mike Smith: Is their plan to be like, "Okay, we're not going to pay out maybe they'll do a tier off system where they're if you're receiving it now, you get it for the next x years and then if you were set to retire in five years and you could have gotten benefits, maybe we'll give you a smaller amount and they're just going to peter it off so that no one is paying into it anymore." is what is their plan?

Nathan Brady: I mean, they never have a plan. I think they're reactionary.

Mike Smith: I know. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I think they're …

Nathan Brady: I don't think they have a plan. and that's scarier, too, right? Because I think the plan from Elon's point of view is …

Mike Smith: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: first of all, make me look as good as possible with Doge because that's all he cares about is optics. And then the second thing is how do I make me and our billionaire friends as much money as humanly possible while pretending to the public that it's going to benefit them.

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I mean it's regonomics all over again. and I will say, by the way, I think it's been going around that the Clinton administration and Al Gore specifically led basically a Doge campaign themselves and cut several hundred,000 federal workers, did several audits, slimmed down the government, but they did it, I won't say the right way because there was a lot of bad that happened during that, too. But they did it in a much better way.

Nathan Brady: Where it wasn't like, hey, here's a mass email to federal employees. you all have the opportunity to retire now and we'll give you money later. And then all of a sudden nuclear agency workers are "All right, see you." And then they're like, "Wait, no, now we wait." …

Mike Smith: Yeah. Not you though.

Nathan Brady: and we don't have a way to contact so they flying by the seat of their pants,…

Mike Smith: My god.

Nathan Brady: they have no idea…

Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Nathan Brady: what they're doing.

Mike Smith: I mean, we said it coming into this administration. We knew it because his Trump's last presidency was just chaos reigning supreme.

Mike Smith: It was just every single day something new and random was happening and it would ultimately be bad. And so, it's that again, except now we have Elon running the show.

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: right.

Mike Smith: I gotta speak sort of candidly here about that for a second.

Nathan Brady: So I think is today Tuesday?

Mike Smith: I honestly would have had money on Trump being sick of Elon by this point in the presidency.

Nathan Brady: No, so tomorrow I think is that the 60 Minutes interview.

Mike Smith: Yeah. But it's …

Nathan Brady: So there's a big some interview. Maybe it's not 60 Minutes. It's probably Tucker** shittorm or whatever. and it's Elon and I saw No,…

Mike Smith: it's i. Yeah, I'm trying to find…

Nathan Brady: no, it's both of them. I saw a still of the interview and it's Trump hunched over and Elon's sitting tall next to him and man, what a weird Elon's giving interviews in the Oval Office. He's answering questions in the Oval Office. he's doing these interview. Are you looking it up? Are you give me some let's see do a Okay,…

Mike Smith: what you're talking about here, but I'm not okay.

Nathan Brady: it's Hannity. Trump and…

Nathan Brady: Elon M here's the image that I saw. And maybe is it already done? no.

Mike Smith: wrong. …

Nathan Brady: It's Tuesday the 18th at 9:00 p.m. It was recorded, but let me share this tab.

Mike Smith: It's a little strange.

Nathan Brady: So yeah, I mean, everywhere Trump goes when he gives an interview, Elon's just right there. He's sitting right next to him. It's weird, I mean,…

Mike Smith: I mean, Elon got him the presidency.

Nathan Brady: Elon owns him. He owns it.

Mike Smith: I mean, I'm sure that there's an amount of that,…

Mike Smith: but I don't know.

Nathan Brady: I mean,…

Nathan Brady: I've heard only rumors that Trump has said in his circle that he's getting tired of Everywhere I go, Elon's there,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: .

Mike Smith: No, I've heard I read those rumblings,…

Nathan Brady: So, It's awkward.

Mike Smith: But I guess I'm just surprised that, he's letting this sort of thing happen because this is Trump's wheelhouse.

Mike Smith: likes to get out in front of people and talk and talk and talk and he doesn't want other people to interrupt him or detract from the things he's saying. So, this is very unusual. I don't know.

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Nathan Brady: Yeah, it's super awkward.

Mike Smith: Can I throw in something that you will absolutely hate?

Nathan Brady: Okay. Let's move on, I guess, from that. And yeah, please do. Please do.

Mike Smith: I'm going to do the thing that we say we never do.

Nathan Brady: No. No.

Mike Smith: I'm going to give credit to Donald Trump.

Nathan Brady: No. No. For what? Absolutely not. Okay. All right.

Mike Smith: He wrote an executive order on the 10th and I don't know how I missed this, but he's directed the Treasury Department to stop minting new pennies.

Nathan Brady: Okay. I Okay,…

Mike Smith: We're gonna do away with the pennies, people. I don't have to listen.

Nathan Brady: but listen. So, no. No, but listen.

Nathan Brady: This is actually funny. wait. Trump executive order. I need to be right about this. I…

Mike Smith: Okay. Darn.

Nathan Brady: because I had the link I can't find it. there's a whole town of Trump voters that would be decimated that would be completely decimated…

Mike Smith: Do they work for the mint or they provide the metal or something? Oh man.

Nathan Brady: if this actually happens. as far as I understand it, and again, I read this, it's already fleeting. it's gone.

Nathan Brady:

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: But I don't think that Trump has the authority,…

Mike Smith: Technically,…

Nathan Brady: even in the executive order, to stop minting pennies. I don't think he can do that now. He will likely put it to the people. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: you can't do it.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Who's going to stop him?

Mike Smith: But if Congress and Yeah.

Mike Smith: If Congress and the Senate don't tell him to…

Mike Smith: if nobody sues, that's the other thing is that if he orders in the Treasury Department's like, "Yeah, okay." And they just stop, you would have to have somebody actually sue him to be like, "This is, an unconstitutional executive order because it deals with money again, which is Congress's job, not yours, blah blah blah." But I don't think anybody cares. I think everybody's like, " finally we're going to get rid of the f****** pennies." Nobody cares.

Nathan Brady: So all right.

Nathan Brady: Let's talk about it a little bit since you wanted to go into it and…

Mike Smith: I'm talking I think it's a great move.

Nathan Brady: you wanted to give credit. why does this Okay,…

Mike Smith: Just so we're clear and I'm on the record about it. f*** pennies. Get rid of it.

Nathan Brady: by the way, so did Barack Obama.

Mike Smith: Get rid of nickels, too.

Nathan Brady: As you can see here, it says even former President Barack Obama expressed his support for eliminating pennies in a 2013 interview. and as it shows here that one penny cost 3.69 cents to make. So yeah, that's a little ridiculous.

Mike Smith: Here's how much…

Nathan Brady: However, first Okay.

Mike Smith: here's how it works. With 20 bucks, you can make almost 14 cents of pennies or $14 of pennies. They are literally burning money by making them. It makes no sense. They can print money and then it goes away because it's not worth anything.

Nathan Brady: I'm going to argue that I'm going to play devil's advocate here for a second because I do agree that the penny is ridiculous.

Mike Smith: Okay, I'm ready. I'm ready.

Nathan Brady: But it sounds like you're making the argument that it is not a profitable thing to do for the US government. And I will argue that by saying a lot of the things that we do for a lot of the reasons, that maybe we don't understand are done like the US Postal Service without making a profit.

Mike Smith: I'm perfectly I agree.

Nathan Brady: Right. Okay.

Mike Smith: You and I see I eye on that. I agree.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: I ask you, what service does the penny provide for the greater good?

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: I don't know. But I will say that you're at the pump you're no longer going to be paying 3.99 you're going to be playing paying 405 right like you're so you're not going to be paying 3.95 no…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. True. No, maybe not though because so much is of American stuff you No,…

Nathan Brady: but you need to be able to get No…

Mike Smith: no, no. But I'm saying you don't need pennies. Everything's credit now It's all going to be line items.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: but that's just not true. I mean that's speaking almost from a point of privilege I would argue I mean there are people that are going to go yeah so yeah I don't know I haven't looked into it other than I think there's at least one small town that will be decimated…

Mike Smith: Fine. Yeah. You're right.

Nathan Brady: which and by the way we've made the argument before yeah I mean when you move from industries when you move from coal when you move from things like that things are going to happen and…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: You're going to shake it.

Nathan Brady: I'm not the learn to code type of guy…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Right.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: but there's going to be some pain points to those types of transitions. we're not still in horse and buggy and that put a lot of horse and buggy people out of business, right? So,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Nathan Brady: technology you have to find the right balance. So it's probably time for the pennies to go, but I would like to personally know more about what kind of effect that would have on people especially underprivileged people does that have a significant impact on those communities and if so what is it and how can we make sure we do this in a responsible way that's all right instead of the penny's gone.

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Mike Smith: I guess you won me Way to go.

Nathan Brady: By the way, I am too in favor of killing the penny, but let's just make sure it's not just like Trump farting it out his ass and signing it and then being done with it. By the way, it does say here it does take an act of Congress to do this. And the funny thing will be if there's enough of those towns…

Nathan Brady: where Republican representatives are I'm not going to get reelected if I support this. we could see some Republican push back for this.

Mike Smith: Yeah. I mean,…

Nathan Brady: So yeah,…

Mike Smith: they'll make the good fight. They'll get on, Fox and whatever and they'll plead their case being like, "You're going to put, my constituents out of business and…

Nathan Brady: right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: put them in the poor house and all that." But I don't think anybody's going to stop them. I think that…

Nathan Brady: No, I agree.

Mike Smith: if they were smart they would have started with this as their watershed or flash test where they say let's see we'll make an executive order that basically no one will argue with probably and…

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Mike Smith: it's technically illegal because Congress should be the one doing it. Congress doesn't enact its constitutional authority to check that power just lets it happen.

Mike Smith: That's the easy way to just get your Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I mean, there will listen, there is a reason why Barack Obama didn't do it. There is likely probably like Elon said I think the penny cost $369 to make and Trump's like we're going to get rid and then it just happened right and there's probably a lobby that's going to come in and say slow your roll gents we make a lot of money off this actually it costs the government four times to make this thing but where do you think that money goes it goes to us

Mike Smith: I don't disagree, but I think if you were trying to sell the idea of waste in government spending, you start here. you plead your case to the public with it costs more to make a penny than a penny is worth. We should stop doing that.

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: Okay. Right.

Mike Smith: And…

Mike Smith: that's a simple enough argument for your average Joe's to understand.

Nathan Brady: No more I mean, do Somebody told me I posted on Blue Sky. I had an unfortunate hoursl long battle with somebody over just the simple question of is Elon a piece of s***. obviously we know…

Mike Smith: God.

Nathan Brady: which side of this I'm on. You probably know…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Hold on.

Nathan Brady: who I was arguing with. and obviously we could not come eye to eye even with abundant evidence in my favor that he is indeed a piece of s***. And then the response finally at the end was then just ignore him. Just like I said in 2016 with Trump, just ignore him. that's* easy for you to say because you're benefiting from it, Ignore the president of the United States. Sure.

Mike Smith: No, no, I hear you.

Mike Smith: I will say I do pick up for my kid at his school and I talk to not diverse set of wealthy individual…

Mike Smith: but wealthy parents. and I think we got there from the Super Bowl because Did we talk about really quickly.

Nathan Brady: I'd rather not.

Nathan Brady: You know what?

Mike Smith: Kanye ran a Super Bowl ad for his online merch shop and it only sold one article of clothing that had a swastika on it. Okay, that's the whole Kanye story.

Nathan Brady: Right. And Shopify left it up for way too long.

Mike Smith: Kanye's a black Nazi.

Nathan Brady: We can talk about that another Yeah.

Mike Smith: Shopify lets it up for it's five days or something. Okay, so we're talking about this with some of the parents at Pickup and I'm like, "Yeah, I can't believe that they're just out in the open Nazis now." And they were like, "Well, it's just Kanye." And I said, "Well, and Elon." And they're like, " I don't think Elon's a Nazi."

Mike Smith: And I was like, I saw him do a sickle twice and that's what Nazis do. And they're like, they did the same dumb argument that all these other people are doing online…

Mike Smith: where they come to his defense where he's just awkward and kind of stupid and…

Nathan Brady: the same argument I heard yesterday.

Nathan Brady: It's like the memo went around.

Mike Smith: he grabbed his heart and he was just trying to express. I'm like, shut the**. If you can't see a sigh for a sig hy,…

Nathan Brady: So, yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: then you have lost the thread here.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: So, I want to argue two things. I actually want to make God I have a number of arguments to this, but first of all, there's videos of Elon giving his heart out previously that don't involve a Hitler salute.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Like this.

Nathan Brady: Okay, that's number Yeah.

Mike Smith: It was breathing life into the room. that's a different gesture.

Nathan Brady: Right. That's number one. I have three points. Number two, he basically paraphrased the 14 words at after two loots.

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Mike Smith: Yeah. Right.

Nathan Brady: He said the future of humanity is secured…

Nathan Brady: because of you, which is basically a paraphrase of the 14 words that are common in, Nazi circles. And then my third point, right? Yeah.

Mike Smith: It's the all right wink to some Hitler sayings basically.

Mike Smith: So it's coded language that means I know I'm a Nazi and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. It's a very very Yes.

Mike Smith: I'm a Nazi but the normies don't know we're Nazis.

Nathan Brady: But at this point it's a very loud dog whistle.

Mike Smith: It's just a very big wink.

Nathan Brady: It's deafening.

Mike Smith: He's just Yeah.

Nathan Brady: And then the third thing I want to say is you cannot have it both ways.

Nathan Brady: Either Elon is brilliant and calculated or he's a f** fool, right? And so…

Mike Smith: Right. A f** Nazi.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: which one is it? and my point is I think the best case scenario he was trolling.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: He was like, I'll show you what I can get away with. And the worst case scenario is he's a Nazi. outside of that, you're an idiot. You believe anything outside of that,…

Mike Smith: I would recommend our listeners go and…

Nathan Brady: you're an idiot.

Mike Smith: do a little research on Elon's grandfather who immigrated to South Africa because he liked apartheides that were there at the time. there's a lot to learn there and he apparently has a lot of his toutelage over young Elon's mind and basically shaping how he grew up. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Have his father's mind and his father is basically the same way. And I don't know if you know about what's going on with his father…

Nathan Brady: who is now making popping up everywhere as they're claiming reverse racism or whatever the f*** is going on in South Africa and trying to undo reparations and saying white people are being oppressed so dude I mean yeah no I'm allegedly I guess we have to say that for legal reasons.

Mike Smith: The whole family is got a very Nazi undertone to it.

Mike Smith: So I'm more inclined to believe that he made a Nazi salute because he's a Nazi. Similarly inclined We're going to say that every single story in this timeline this is crazy and…

Nathan Brady: I don't know. Let's Okay, let's move on from this because this next story is also a little bit insane to me. I don't even know. I No,…

Mike Smith: here we go. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: that's a good point.

Nathan Brady: Why am I even prefacing this with that s***? So, let's play this.

Nathan Brady's Presentation: anymore. But you…

Nathan Brady's Presentation: but Tom,…

Nathan Brady: Can you hear this?

Nathan Brady's Presentation: you got AOC out there, Alexandria Casiocortez, Congresswoman, doing a webinar to help illegals avoid, I guess, apprehension, giving tips about how to continue to remain in the country and ultimately gain the system. And I sent an email today to deputy attorney general. At what level Is that impedement? I'm not a prosecutor. Is that impeding our law enforcement efforts? If so, what are we going to do about it? Is she crossing the line? So, I'm working with the Department of Justice and finding out where is that line that they cross? So, maybe AOC is going to be in trouble now, but I need the AOG to opine on that. But because there's a impedement is impedement in my opinion.

Nathan Brady's Presentation: I'm not a prosecutor, but we need some further guidance on that. But again, if we have to take every federal dollar out of the city,…

Nathan Brady's Presentation: we'll do it. I mean, we're done. This is

Nathan Brady: All so what sloth here is for between Laura Ingram,…

Mike Smith: I hate that guy's voice.

Mike Smith: He's just such her, too. Yeah, I hate him.

Nathan Brady: between Laura Ingram and Sloth over here, they maybe have one working w. What is going on with the way that these people talk?

Mike Smith: I believe that he'd been hit in the mouth a couple of times…

Nathan Brady: They're very, very strange.

Mike Smith: because he's a bastard.

Nathan Brady: It's got to be what it is, right? they've been punched in the face.

Mike Smith: Yeah. No.

Nathan Brady: I'm not trying to I know that that was probably very ableist of me. there's something wrong with these people, though. and everything about that makes me angry.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: And…

Mike Smith: I think the thing is that we perceive them to be evil and ugly on the inside and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: that's like being expressed through their speech…

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right.

Mike Smith: which makes us feel it viscerally. you're just very ugly to me.

Nathan Brady: It's exactly that. I mean, if Laura Ingram had AOCC's policies,…

Nathan Brady: I would be like, listen to Laura Ingram speak. I love hearing Laura Ingram speak.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. What a great speaker.

Nathan Brady: It's the opposite.

Mike Smith: No, I know.

Nathan Brady: I like how that cross is shining just right where I paused it. So, can we first of all just talk about how insane this is getting where almost every single time a Republican gets on TV, they are talking about jailing their political opponents. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Political opponents and newswriters. Basically, they're saying very loudly and clearly that this person is expressing a view opposite of mine and therefore they have committed a crime. It's Elon's you have committed a crime.

Nathan Brady: Right, right,…

Mike Smith: Unfortunately,…

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Nathan Brady: right. Right.

Mike Smith: they run the country including the Department of Justice and they can actually abuse that power and go after their political opponents.

Mike Smith: it's feeling very Nazi Germany again. Okay.

Nathan Brady: So I'll read two responses from AOC. this one is short. First of all, she does the classic, lowercase, maybe she's going to be in trouble now. and then she says, "Maybe he can learn to read. The Constitution would be a good place to start." But then I want to read her full statement, which I really loved. because she made a response to Fox News directly. And so I'm going to read this for our listeners. So Okaziocortez responded telling Fox News Digital, "I am glad Mr.

Nathan Brady: home and is checking with the Department of Justice to familiarize himself with the limits of his AY's authority in entering the homes of everyday Americans without a warrant, which by the way, everybody should be happy of that this is being brought to their attention. And I am proud to be officer I'm proud to offer civil education to everyday Americans to ensure ICE compli compliance with the law given the numerous reports of agents providing incorrect paperwork in their attempts to enter and search private homes. She continues, "Since Mr. Holman seems to be vaguely familiar with US immigration law,…

Nathan Brady: we also remind him that according to congressional statute, becoming undocumented in the United States is a civil offense, not a criminal one. I look forward to continuing our work in ensuring the safety of everyday New Yorkers while keeping families together. I mean, first of all, brilliant.

Mike Smith: That's really interesting.

Mike Smith: I hadn't actually thought of that, but that's a really interesting distinction to make about being an undocumented immigrant.

Mike Smith: So she's saying that it's a civil matter,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: not a criminal one. So that would mean that the Department of Justice really shouldn't be doing investigations of that sort unless the person did do an act of criminality obviously.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. unless it was an actual. And I think that's always been and I think that was the big outlash from, Trump saying, "Yeah, we're gonna kick you out of the country even if we suspect you of shoplifting." he's trying to get around this,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: which is that,…

Nathan Brady: everybody wants you to believe whenever you have an argument with somebody or often when I have an argument with somebody about illegal immigrants, they say, they're illegal, therefore they're all criminals when that really technically isn't the case.

Mike Smith: Yes. Right.

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: The crime they committed in their eyes is that they came to this country illegally and…

Nathan Brady: if right and…

Mike Smith: that was a violation of the law somehow,…

Nathan Brady: I mean in ways it is in criminal law exactly so I don't want to get buried in the minutia here…

Mike Smith: the criminal law.

Mike Smith: No, they don't. No.

Nathan Brady: but the point of this whole thing is the people that are running especially the immigration department they don't care about the laws the constitutions they don't care about s search and unwarranted search and seizure. They don't care about any of this stuff. They want to come get the brown people and kick them out of the United States. That's all they want to do.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I mean, it's never been more clear.

Mike Smith: No, I like this statement from AOC in response to because it does a number of things that one civil versus criminal is interesting, but no one will care but the other thing is pointing out the fact that their duties there, they're given authority over certain things, right? and entering your home without a warrant is not one of them.

Nathan Brady: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: It's just a very simple note to just throw out there just as a reminder, just because a cop shows up at your door, you don't got to answer it. and she puts it beautifully. you don't just don't.

Nathan Brady: And I mean that is really a civics lesson. yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah, I think you might be touching on something about them trying to dismantle the Department of Education.

Nathan Brady: I mean these people would absolutely love it if you didn't understand your rights. That makes their job so much easier. I mean,…

Mike Smith: Part of that, I think that Elon Musk wants you stupider so that they can just tell you you have to open the door or you're committing a crime even though you don't and it isn't. And then they're going to arrest you and put you in the concentration camps. Right.

Nathan Brady: it really is as simple as I love the uneducated whatever the quote was, the uneducated people love me. and I'm not trying to say that college people are smarter, especially street smarter than regular people, but when you look at the breakdown of who's voting for their rights to be taken away and isn't, it is clear that people who have some sort of education choose one side over the other.

Nathan Brady: Why is that? So yeah, why I mean I don't know. I

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Mike Smith: Yeah. …

Mike Smith: I wonder if they would never enact it this way, but I was thinking of some of the Nordic countries that have compulsory army like training.

Nathan Brady: Israel doesn't real.

Mike Smith: And I think there's a two-year period between the ages of 18 and 20 where you are, as a citizen obligated to undergo military training ostensibly. Israel does it, but I know a few Nordic ones do. I'm thinking of Sweden and something else. I'll look it up later. But as a part of that, it's not just that you're training to be basically in an army reserve or anything, but they're also teaching you civics as a part of that.

Mike Smith: So, it's sort of like a college army combination thing. And I'm like,…

Mike Smith: they're gonna do some sort of conscription for this impending civil war that they want, I'm like, they would never do the educating side, but That would be an interesting thought experiment.

Nathan Brady: …

Nathan Brady: So, I will name you the top five countries and I would not have guessed Switzerland was on there. You could probably name …

Nathan Brady: yeah. North Korea, Israel, North Korea,…

Mike Smith: Okay.

Mike Smith: Yeah. For good reason.

Nathan Brady: Israel, South Korea. Probably for good reason. Eretria I don't know…

Mike Smith: I don't know what that is.

Nathan Brady: what Eretria is and they are 18 months officially…

Mike Smith: It's the sand planet in Dune. No, that's

Nathan Brady: but in practice it can be indefinite for both males and…

Nathan Brady: females ages 18 to 40 Switzerland is 18 to 23 weeks over 10 years so I mean yeah that's not I Yeah.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Mike Smith: I got my timelines mixed up. But Yeah. I thought it was interesting because not really important, but I think it would be neat…

Nathan Brady: I had social studies and…

Mike Smith: if they could how do we teach people civics? Because Did you have a civics class in high school? I think I had one semester in high school where I was taught maybe I had a lot of social studies…

Nathan Brady: US history for six years. …

Mike Smith: but at no point were we taught American civics we didn't have that class a little bit. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I feel like we covered that in US history. but again, yeah, I mean, if you weren't asking the right questions,…

Nathan Brady: you didn't get the education. It wasn't until college that I took a civics course where it was like,…

Mike Smith: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: I am a lot of this I didn't know." …

Mike Smith: Yeah. But just to circle it back,…

Nathan Brady: what else we got? You want to Okay.

Mike Smith: the reason I bring it up at all is because I'm guessing that there's a fair number of people in America who don't understand their constitutional rights at just a simple basis,…

Nathan Brady: My god. Are I mean,…

Mike Smith: right? Yeah.

Nathan Brady: you could do the Conan O'Brien take what's his name? The dog. take him out on the street to do the interviews and ask people random questions and it's literally insane how little people know about this stuff.

Mike Smith: No. Yeah. Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: And you can see it in the discourse on Twitter too and in other places. I mean it's like Jesus Christ I can't believe people are arguing about this. neither of you have any clue what you're talking about and I just spent 10 minutes of my time reading this thread. which makes me dumber. So okay.

Mike Smith: All right. You want to move on? Yeah.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean we can move on. what did I want to talk about? Okay, I wanted to really quickly talk about there was a plane crash today in Toronto. a plane crash landed, I guess, upside down due to inclement weather. at least last I checked, there were no casualties. there were a few injuries. Everybody made it out this ties into two things. the plane came out of Minneapolis. I doubt I don't know. I'm sure there's going to be an investigation by whatever remains of the FFA FAA. looks like it was probably just very bad weather,…

Nathan Brady: no pilot error, fine. First thing I did was go,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: okay, how quickly, if I just go over to Twitter and for you or I look at the top stories about this, how far do I have to scroll before I see the topmost, official blue check follower say DEI.

Mike Smith: No.

Nathan Brady: And it was all DEI.

Mike Smith: Everything above the first fold will have that statement. Yeah. I'm not shocked to learn that.

Nathan Brady: So it's another one.

Mike Smith: And the DEI thing has become just a blatant like racist dog whistle, right? It's probably a person of color. And you're like, why do you think that that's bad?

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Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: I mean so let's you know what? Yeah. I want to touch on this because I didn't have much more to say about that other than Trump is also dismantling the FF FAA today on the same It's weird.

Mike Smith: That'll probably help.

Nathan Brady: Every time he announces something,…

Mike Smith: Yeah, the monkeyy's paw finger shrivels.

Nathan Brady: yeah, every time he announces something where with the FA FAA or reduces something or whatever, there's an immediate plane crash. It's like I don't know if you want to keep doing this. yeah. Yeah, so crap, I lost it. Who? Thank you.

Mike Smith: DEI hires. You're saying

Nathan Brady: DEI. So, I want to just touch on DEI really quickly because there is either a very big misunderstanding of what DEI policies are or it is just blatant racism. But I think it's both. and I think that when Elon's reaching hundreds of millions of people and talking about how bad DEI is, those people again are going to trust Elon and believe what he has to say. So, for people listening,…

Nathan Brady: if you're listening here, you probably already know this. And if you're an idiot who stumbled upon here, let me explain to you what DEI actually is.

Mike Smith: Welcome to the podcast.

Mike Smith: Please and…

Nathan Brady: Welcome to the pod.

Mike Smith: Right.

Nathan Brady: And I'm going to tell you why you're racist and you need to stop being a racist. DEI does not mean I'm going to hire an unqualified black man or woman or whatever over a qualified person. DEI policies are there to ensure that the pool of qualified candidates reaches people that represent the makeup of our population. And that means if there are a 100 qualified pilots and 30 of them are black, but you hired 50 white pilots that you're not doing that that you're probably doing some discriminatory hiring practices in your business.

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: And really it's just that a lot of people acting in good faith aren't even aware of the biases that they have.

Mike Smith: So I think that in a lot of cases you'll hire people…

Nathan Brady: Yeah,…

Mike Smith: because you feel similarly that they do. You have excitements over the same types of topics and content. You speak the same way. you're from the same area, you have all these relation and…

Nathan Brady: right. …

Mike Smith: when you interview somebody who has a very different experience than you have, you don't see similarities there. So, you just aren't thinking that this is the right person. And I think a lot of people aren't racist. They just feel that that bias just happens in

Nathan Brady: I think a lot of people are racist because I think that bias is racist. I mean, I do. I mean, right, it's inherent. even though it's under there.

Nathan Brady: It's innate. so let This is an experiment I would love to try, but I already know the answer to it.

Mike Smith: Okay. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: You have Mike Smith and I take Mike Smith and I make a very nice resume for a pilot and I'm going put it in front of a thousand people and I'm going to say would you hire this man right and Mike Smith and…

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: here's all his credentials and whatever and you'll get whatever 70% people would say yeah he looks qualified and then I'm going to give them the same I'm going to replace the name and I'm gonna put Muhammad Zire and I'm going to put that in front of them and I guarantee you it's going to be 40% or less right so it is innate and I would say are the 300 people that…

Nathan Brady: then decided not to hire Muhammad are those people racist and I mean that's the core of …

Mike Smith: I agree with you and…

Nathan Brady: what it comes down to.

Mike Smith: and I have an anecdote I'll say. I don't want to use anybody's names, but I do have a longtime friend…

Nathan Brady: Okay. right?

Mike Smith: who was looking for a job some years ago and he has an Armenian name and it's not a Mike Smith, and he wasn't getting any call backs and even though he's very experienced and he's a really hard worker, he's a great guy and anybody who's ever met him just loves him, but he just wasn't getting call backs and his wife said, "Why don't you try putting a different name on there and see if you get the call backs?" and so he did it.

Mike Smith: He tried different it's still basically his name but he left out his surname and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: he started getting call backs and…

Mike Smith: he was getting interviews and he was meeting with people and then he could smoo them because he's a people person and…

Nathan Brady: Right. Sure.

Nathan Brady: Once you get into the interview,…

Mike Smith: then he would just sort of gloss over that's not actually my last name that was a misprint here's my last name let's update it and then he got his job at I'm not going to say where but what good job like but he wasn't getting call backs until he changed his name for that exact reason we assume we will never …

Nathan Brady: I mean, that's literally it.

Mike Smith: but we assume.

Nathan Brady: And so all DEI if you're still following along, is to make sure that those people Mike's friend, like Muhammad Zire,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: whoever, those qualified people aren't dismissed simply by means of their race, religion, this is baked into the Constitution, guys. so we move forward now and anytime like the helicopter the unfortunate accident that happened a few weeks ago. Now the pilot was a woman and…

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Nathan Brady: the first thing anyone says Elon quote tweets it DEEI means people die.

Mike Smith: Yeah. All right.

Nathan Brady: No, that's such thing as a DEI hire. I'm going to reject that. There's no such thing as a DEI hire. It is the hiring of a qualified person. every pilot that is flying a plane for American Airlines or Delta is qualified to do so. They're not underqualified…

Mike Smith: Right.

Nathan Brady: because they are like, " we just hired this black guy because we needed to fill a quota, but he can't fly, so good good luck." Do you think they're going to put somebody like that on a plane worth,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Nathan Brady: billions of dollar, hundreds of millions of dollars or…

Mike Smith: no. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: whatever it is? Come on.

Mike Smith: It's the same thing I were saying earlier though, like you said, a modocum of critical thinking and you'll come to the same conclusion you're describing. You're like, that doesn't make any sense. That doesn't hold up any. So, then you have to peel back the layers and go, what did you mean by DEI hire?

Mike Smith: because it sounds like what you're saying is, they let a woman fly and that's why it crashed. I'd be like,…

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: And that's exactly…

Mike Smith: why didn't you say that then?

Nathan Brady: what they're saying.

Mike Smith: Why is it that you didn't say those words in that order?

Nathan Brady: That's ex and they won't say it.

Nathan Brady: They won't say it. And if you respond to one of them,…

Mike Smith: They won't say it,…

Mike Smith: but they're yeah.

Nathan Brady: they'll call you an R word. You don't see what's happening. You rword, And then, all of the white guys that have crashed, that's nothing. But this one, woman who that's DEI, and it's not that guys. It's just not that.

Mike Smith: No. And it's another piece of just like culture war baiting that they're doing…

Nathan Brady: So yeah.

Mike Smith: because They don't want you paying attention to what they're doing in the government.

Mike Smith: They don't want you to see what's going on, behind the curtain.

Nathan Brady: And so when Elon says DEI means people die, how can you not attribute that to a That is a piece of s***.

Mike Smith: When you hire black people, people die.

Nathan Brady: That is not a good person.

Mike Smith: Say that, Elon. Say that.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: When you hire black people, people die. Because that's…

Nathan Brady: Right. Because it is not underqualified people that you're hiring…

Mike Smith: what you're saying.

Nathan Brady: because of Okay.

Mike Smith: I want to do one last quick story before we wrap.

Nathan Brady: All right. What do you got?

Mike Smith: I need you to dawn your tinfoil hat with me…

Nathan Brady: Mhm. boy.

Mike Smith: because we're going to go down conspiracy bill now.

Nathan Brady: I saw an article in the Times of India I believe.

Mike Smith: Did you hear about the diabetes cure that came out of China? Yep.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: stem cells from the person taken out of the body and scienced. I don't know how. I'm not up on the specifics,…

Nathan Brady: Is it basically a crisper type thing?

Mike Smith: but they basically reprogrammed some of her own cells in an attempt to try and have it I don't know…

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: if it was crisper, but have They inject her in the abdomen and last year. This was in 2024, April, I believe. And it's almost a year later. her body. She had type 1 diabetes, so it wasn't producing insulin. it's been producing insulin to the point where she doesn't have to have medication artificial insulin 97% of the time,…

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Basically, I mean, it's not there yet, but it's basically showing that they may have cured type diabetes, which is fantastic. Great news. Okay, Tim Foil hat is coming on now.

Nathan Brady: I don't think this is going to be a tin foil hat. And by the way, this was reported nine months ago.

Mike Smith: So, I'm okay. May that's…

Nathan Brady: This is Yeah,…

Mike Smith: what I'm saying.

Nathan Brady: this is the story.

Mike Smith: Okay. …

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Okay, so go ahead. Eli Lily.

Mike Smith: so if you were a company, not Yeah, I was going to say a different company, but yeah, if you were the company that produces the majority of artificial insulin and…

Nathan Brady: Mhm.

Mike Smith: it's a huge money maker for you and you accidentally found that stem cells might be a perfectly viable course of action that could lead to a fuel cure,…

Mike Smith: would you maybe lobby to prevent

Mike Smith: vent anyone from using stem cells in their research in the whole country? Is that something you do if all you cared about was money?

Nathan Brady: So let me argue this.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, let me argue and this isn't a steel man. I'm arguing from your side.

Mike Smith: Okay. Yes.

Nathan Brady: As a person, if something were to hurt me physically, like hurt me or…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yep.

Nathan Brady: cause me to die, I would not want to do that thing.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Nathan Brady: I would do everything I could to avoid that. That's human instinct. And I believe corporations who as we know are also people have the same instincts no matter who's at the top right CEO,…

Mike Smith: Survival.

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Nathan Brady: board of directors, whatever. It's an instinct to survive.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: And if something is going to come along and destroy me, I'm going to do whatever it takes. I'm looking at you oil industry. I'm looking at,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: all of the things that they've done to hide climate change that they knew about forever,…

Nathan Brady: all of these things. yeah, as a company with probably a few different people that are solely responsible for this, but yeah, I'm going to do whatever it takes to survive. I do not think that that is a conspiracy theory. I think that is what companies do.

Mike Smith: Yep. I think so.

Mike Smith: My tinfoil hat theory is that the suppression of stem cell research in the United States is largely because these pharmaceutical companies knew that they were going to be like a breakthrough treatment option that can cure these long live fulllife conditions that you have to deal with every day, right? So, I'm really excited to see this type 1 diabetes thing play out.

Mike Smith: I'm really excited to especially because it's China over and over again just kind of poking US with first the deepseek thing and they keep doing it like this and we're going to do it for free. Here you go. It's yours now. And if this sort of treatment option works, I mean every diabetic on in the country will be screaming for it.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: So they'll have to allow it at some point. And at that point I think it's a watershed moment of then what else can we do with Our own stem cells. Not even like aborted fetuses or whatever. This was some lady, I think she was like 25. They took her stem cells out of her body, one of her organs, did something to it, injected it back into her, and it cured her. that seems a no-brainer that you should be able to research this type of thing. Yeah.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: I mean, it's insane. And yeah, I fear especially with the current administration I worry that that kind of thing is going to be on hold for a long time. And I know people who have ports,…

Nathan Brady: who have, the bakedin insulin readers,…

Mike Smith: Yeah, yeah,…

Mike Smith: yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: this would be obviously lifealtering for the good,…

Mike Smith: yeah, Eli Liy would be down.

Nathan Brady: but it would mean that Lily Yeah.

Mike Smith: Their share price would be down.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. And that would have hurt them and…

Mike Smith: Darn. And the shareholders.

Nathan Brady: their people and…

Mike Smith: And the shareholders.

Nathan Brady: the share think of the shareholders.

Mike Smith: Let's think of the shareholders. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: All No, that's a really promising story. I saw the same thing, by the way, recently with lupus. I don't know if I've talked about it on the pod before,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: but my daughter has full systemic lupus ariththmatitosis. So, …

Mike Smith: It's near and…

Nathan Brady: yeah, I would,…

Mike Smith: dear to your heart. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: yeah, these kinds of breakthroughs, crisper, there's, somebody very close to me, who's waiting on other types of treatments that they're working with human trials with crisper,…

Mike Smith: Yeah.

Nathan Brady: that kind of stuff.

Nathan Brady: I mean, we could see incredible things.

Mike Smith: We already are.

Mike Smith: I mean I remember reading about a crisper treatment.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Now it's exorbitantly expensive…

Nathan Brady: They don't want to cure that.

Mike Smith: but it was a crisper treatment that basically could treat cickle cell anemia which is a genetic disorder where you produce sickleshaped red blood cells. and it causes you to be very sick. You have this mainly in black people by the way. So, corporate America doesn't give a s*** about it, but They probably could cure it. They just don't care. but you have flare-ups and you're very sick for bursts of time. I knew at least two people who suffered from it. And there's this new crisper thing.

Mike Smith: I believe it came out in 2024 as well and is waiting on FDA approval, but it's super expensive, but it can apparently reverse the cickle cell genetic condition and…

Mike Smith: and it may be a full-blown cure. And I'm with you. I'm about I'm excited to see more scientific breakthroughs, especially in their face.

Nathan Brady: This is exact.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, I think this is by the what happened in China because here's the process for curing cickle cell. they're using crisper cast 9 …

Mike Smith: Yep. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: which involves stem cells are collected from the patient's bone marrow. The stem cells are modified in the lab using crisper cast 9 to correct the betaloglobin gene mutation and then the edited stem cells are returned to the patient through a transfusion. So it sounds like exactly.

Mike Smith: And something about that like retrains your marrow to create correct blood cells. I didn't understand how that happens, but the fact that it's happening in practice,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Mike Smith: I'm just like that's awesome.

Nathan Brady: and I mean those blood cells are going to split and…

Nathan Brady: multiply, right, as well and then I don't know does it become the dominant gene, I don't know how it works. who knows, but they know and…

Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Mike Smith: I like the scientists to know.

Nathan Brady: I'd like them to keep going.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Don't fire the scientists,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. So I will say…

Mike Smith: Just let them do their thing. That's very exciting and…

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Nathan Brady: though it looks like the FDA did approve the first crisper-based gene therapy for cickle cell disease in December of 2023 called cast jevy and…

Mike Smith: very promising. Okay. That's not profitable.

Nathan Brady: so the treatment is currently expensive and may not be accessible to all patients I'm sure I can't even imagine how costly it is and whether or not insurance companies would cover it. because that just means that we've cured your disease. You no longer Yeah, I mean good place to end.

Nathan Brady: Anything else you want to say?

Mike Smith: That's great,…

Mike Smith: That's great.

Nathan Brady: No, I think it was a good show today.

Mike Smith: I'm done today.

Nathan Brady: Good show, old chat. all right, thanks everyone for listening. As usual, if you're listening on the podcast on YouTube or watching on YouTube and listening elsewhere, subscribes, five stars, those are the only things that matter. We're not asking you for money yet, All we're asking is for you to click a little button so that we can reach a wider audience. Un. And…

Mike Smith: and keep arguing with us in the comments or…

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Mike Smith: on Blue Sky.

Nathan Brady:

Nathan Brady: Do that,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Happy President's Day,…

Nathan Brady: So, we'll leave all the links to all of this stuff in the show notes and we'll catch everybody next week. See you.

Mike Smith: everyone. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: Good show. Energetic. Yeah,…

Mike Smith: it was good.

Nathan Brady: that's what happens when you have to work.

Mike Smith: Yeah, I kept those two upbeat stories in my back pocket that I wanted to be able to spring them on you sort of intermixed so that we have this sort of dynamic of up down thing.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Hold on one second.

Mike Smith: So that was good. Okay, I need to figure this s*** out.

Nathan Brady: Stop the trans. Stop taking notes.

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