Scrambled Amendments and Fried ICE

Podcast Content Planning: They discussed various topics for their podcast episode, including the 22nd Amendment proposal, AI investments (Stargate project), birthright citizenship, a TikTok story about circumventing censorship, and a recent Trump visit to California. They decided to start with the 22nd Amendment discussion.

Proposed 22nd Amendment Change: Rep. Ogles proposed a joint resolution to amend the 22nd Amendment, potentially allowing a president to serve a third term under specific non-consecutive conditions. Mike Smith noted that legal scholars previously dismissed similar arguments. Nathan Brady and Mike Smith both found the proposal absurd and unlikely to pass due to the requirement of two-thirds votes in both houses of Congress and ratification by 38 states. They identified the proposal as a way for Rep. Ogles to show loyalty to Trump.

John Fetterman's Potential Party Switch: Nathan Brady and Mike Smith discussed the possibility of Senator John Fetterman switching parties to either Independent or Republican. They placed a bet on air regarding this prediction.

Marco Rubio's Unanimous Senate Confirmation Vote: They discussed the unanimous Senate vote confirming Marco Rubio for a position, speculating on the reasons behind the lack of opposition. They initially misinterpreted the reason for unanimity but later learned it was due to a vacancy in the Senate.

Trump's Visit to California: Trump's visit to California involved a meeting with Governor Newsom, where a power dynamic was observed in a photograph. The visit centered on FEMA funding for wildfires, contingent on California implementing a voter ID law, which was rejected by Newsom. The discussion touched upon the political complexities of the situation and the inconsistent narratives surrounding California's political landscape.

Trump's Actions Regarding Deportation to Colombia: Trump's administration attempted to deport individuals to Colombia, prompting Colombia to refuse entry due to lack of prior warning. Trump responded with threats of tariffs and travel bans, but Colombia ultimately agreed to accept the individuals, suggesting a possible negotiation or PR stunt. The incident highlighted concerns about damaging US-Colombia relations. They discussed the economic impact of potential trade wars and the reactions of Trump supporters.

TikTok and Circumventing Censorship: They discussed how users are circumventing censorship on TikTok by embedding banned information within seemingly innocuous videos. One example included a user providing instructions for disabling ICE vehicles. While they do not endorse such actions, they find the users' resourcefulness remarkable.

AI Market Crash and DeepSeek: The discussion turned to the recent crash in AI stock values and the emergence of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI startup with a seemingly superior open-source model to OpenAI's. OpenAI's and DeepSeek's responses to prompts about sensitive topics like Tiananmen Square were compared, revealing limitations in both models' ability to handle such queries. They noted the humor in the situation and discussed the inherent limitations and self-moderating mechanisms within AI models.

Birthright Citizenship Debate: They discussed an article arguing against birthright citizenship based on an originalist interpretation of the 14th Amendment. The argument focuses on the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and aims to exclude certain groups, such as undocumented immigrants. They acknowledged the potential impacts on immigration and birth rates while highlighting the potential for such arguments to target specific groups. The conversation further explored the underlying motivations behind anti-immigrant sentiments, linking them to broader societal issues.

Absurdity of Immigration Policies: Mike Smith and Nathan Brady discussed the illogical nature of current immigration policies. They highlighted the historical parallels to discriminatory practices, such as the grandfather clause used to disenfranchise Black southerners after the Civil War. They argued that the current system, which demands proof of citizenship for multiple generations, is essentially arbitrary and opens the door to widespread deportations based on selectively applied criteria. They also pointed out the hypocrisy of focusing on deporting immigrants based on violent crime while simultaneously supporting the death penalty for similar crimes committed by US citizens.

Government Censorship and Public Health: Nathan Brady revealed that the CDC has been ordered to cease collaboration with the World Health Organization and that other health agencies have been instructed to remain silent on health alerts. Mike Smith raised concerns about potential legal ramifications of this decision, particularly regarding the possibility of class-action lawsuits stemming from preventable illnesses or deaths due to a lack of public health warnings. They discussed how this lack of transparency could have potentially deadly consequences, particularly in the context of food safety issues, like the egg crisis.

Libertarianism and Public Health: Mike Smith and Nathan Brady criticized libertarian perspectives on public health. They contrasted the libertarian ideal of relying solely on the free market to regulate health and safety with the realities of delayed responses to outbreaks and a lack of infrastructure for collecting and analyzing data needed to prevent widespread harm. They argued that a free market approach would prioritize profit over public safety, resulting in preventable deaths.

Political Repercussions of Strict Immigration Policies: Nathan Brady discussed the Florida Republicans' abrupt termination of a special session on immigration, citing pressure from President Trump. They predicted that politicians who support strict immigration policies and resulting economic repercussions will face negative consequences. Mike Smith connected this to the potential impact on agriculture, suggesting that disruptions to the workforce due to mass deportations could lead to food shortages and social unrest. They noted that even in traditionally conservative areas, food scarcity will outweigh partisan politics.

Lack of Regulation and Corporate Responsibility: Nathan Brady highlighted the recall of over 80,000 Kia vehicles due to a potential safety defect, using this as an illustration of the importance of government regulations. They emphasized the potential harm to consumers if corporations were not held accountable by a regulatory body.

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ric-vnme-ova (2025-01-27 12:57 GMT-8) - Transcript

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Mike Smith, Nathan Brady, Nathan Brady's Presentation

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Nathan Brady: and I just Okay,…

Nathan Brady: It didn't change the layout. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: meat is taking notes the layout.

Mike Smith: Yeah, it just sets up at the top that you're presenting and annotating now, which is and there's an indicator that says that this call is being transcribed. We're going to have to find a way for us to start it consistently a movie cut where we can be episode starts now and then the text after that is all transcribed stuff and…

Nathan Brady: Or I could just start right before we're ready to record. But it's going to give us a text file. I'm just going to delete this first part,

Mike Smith: and the outro because we usually do our outro and then we sit and talk for five minutes.

Nathan Brady: That's true.

Mike Smith: So, I mean, I'm just saying don't blindly copy paste it.

Nathan Brady: I do a lot of work. Okay.

Mike Smith: I know you do. I didn't mean to be dimminative there.

Mike Smith: I mean, I'm just trying to be helpful. I'm a helpful guy.

Nathan Brady: Let me reconnect.

Nathan Brady: Don't Use this mic. And use that mic.

Mike Smith: Use this mic.

Nathan Brady: There you go. And give me the one two.

Nathan Brady: The old one two.

Mike Smith: I'm going to give you the one and…

Mike Smith: the two now.

Nathan Brady: Got nothing. Try again.

Mike Smith: Let's try it again…

Nathan Brady: There we go.

Mike Smith: where we do something.

Nathan Brady: There we go.

Mike Smith: All right, I'm going to switch to my potties.

Nathan Brady: All right. And then can we talk a little bit?

Nathan Brady: I'll wait until you switch. All right. You hear me?

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: Yeah, baby. I can hear you.

Nathan Brady: I don't know what's going on. I don't know what happened this weekend because I've been pretty much dead with poker and…

Mike Smith: Yeah, I got some things to talk about here.

Nathan Brady: stuff. So, you gotta Okay.

Mike Smith: We have, the big ticket items to talk about. Obviously, birthright citizenship is going to come up and I have outlined some things on how they're going to make that argument. And then just generally the right being stupid and…

Nathan Brady: Generally the right

Mike Smith: we can talk tech news I mean I don't know how much we want to get into it because we are kind of experts in the field where we can talk about the AI stuff that happened because they agreed that what do they call it the Trinity project. I don't even remember what they called it but they're like5 trillion dollars is going to go to AI. what I'm talking about? Any idea? No, that's a nuclear test.

Nathan Brady: I don't remember the number.

Mike Smith: I thought it was $5 trillion, but apparently not.

Nathan Brady: Could have been

Mike Smith: No, it is. Let's see. I misunderstood this. So, there was two things that happened at the same time. it's their valuation of the AI thing to be 5 trillion in market and then you're It's probably 500 billion.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Order. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Announces 500 billion investment in AI infrastructure that's going to be partially paid by companies like AI and…

Nathan Brady: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: And that was the other thing I wanted to figure out. Stargate, that's what it's called.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: So they're building data centers and they're making this big investment for data centers basically. I'll just paste that in the blue edition so we have but I think Why is there no card? What are you doing Slink? birthright citizenship. we're gonna have to talk about the 22nd amendment…

Mike Smith: because Republicans are just really stupid. and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Sure.

Mike Smith: then I have a Tik Tok story that's a fun one. And it's horrible, but it's fun in a horrible way. If that makes any sense.

Nathan Brady: I'm just pulling up some notes to be ready to be able to discuss.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Mike Smith: We had Trump in town last week. We could talk about that. He flew in Friday to talk to news scum.

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Nathan Brady: Yeah, he didn't die in the fire,…

Nathan Brady: right? In any fire.

Mike Smith: Not that I'm aware. No, you can wing it.

Nathan Brady: All I'm** good at this last minute s***.

Mike Smith: I know.

Nathan Brady: So, you might have to do a little bit of leading, but then I can bring up stuff and then we can riff.

Mike Smith: All Do you want to open with the fun story because it'll tie it.

Nathan Brady: Which one's the fun one? Colombia or what do you want to open with?

Mike Smith: We'll get to Colombia in a second, but the first one I wanted to talk about is …

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: we don't have to do it that way. But the first one is Tik Tok and how they're getting around the censorship. which is great. It's just a really funny story because it's like the kids are going to be And then that ties into the immigration stuff and birthright citizenship. the other angle is we could start with the 22nd and the bill they're trying to pass and then that really kind of snowballs more into why are the Republicans so stupid and…

Nathan Brady: Thank you.

Mike Smith: why are they trying these facedly not constitutional things…

Mike Smith: which could then talk about birthright citizenship…

Nathan Brady: Look, I think let's lead with the nonsense with the 22nd.

Mike Smith: which Let's do it.

Nathan Brady: If you Yeah,…

Mike Smith: I'm ready.

Nathan Brady: I mean, we got a lot to talk about. All right.

Mike Smith: Do you want me to just give you an image so that you can bring it up pretty quickly to share? is I got this…

Nathan Brady: What do you got?

Mike Smith: which is a picture of a tweet but it's that here I didn't want to give Molly Jong anything But it's one of our tweets.

Nathan Brady: No, I'll take one. Wait, if I copy this image link because I'm in a different browser where I'm not signed into Slack. Let me see if I can No, it won't let me. that's okay.

Nathan Brady: I have things I can pull up like I can do I have a No, no, no. I've got CNBC and…

Mike Smith: So you could like, …

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: do our tweet.

Nathan Brady: I need to what? Give me a second to sign into Blooki on this one.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Idiot.

Nathan Brady: I think I have. Good.

Nathan Brady: No, I haven't. Sign in. Okay. …

Mike Smith: But…

Mike Smith: but once you can just copy that image from the blue ski or you can show our tweet or you can show the Molly fast tweet or you can just drill through all blue edition.

Nathan Brady: what's our username? New-sedition.com. Nice.

Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Nathan Brady: right. I'm in.

Nathan Brady: And then nice cuz wait what did you give me? you want to show Molly Jong fast.

Mike Smith: I'm saying now you have a way to get that image…

Nathan Brady: The image.

Mike Smith: if you want.

Nathan Brady: Okay. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Let me just edit this really quick. How do I edit this?

Mike Smith: which is kind of weird…

Nathan Brady: And then now I can see.

Mike Smith: because I'm like, nobody passed this bill, Signing an executive order.

Nathan Brady: Okay, this is better for me anyway because now I can see you typing. Before I couldn't really tell when you were trying to say something to me in Slack,…

Mike Smith: Really? Why?

Nathan Brady: but now that I have you're always say…

Nathan Brady: because I have the window that I'm sharing is front and center and it was the same Chrome and it was tough.

Nathan Brady: But …

Mike Smith: You use Slack and…

Mike Smith: browser pentabine.

Nathan Brady: yeah, I use Slack and browser. apps are stupid. You f* people are idiots. 10 different apps. I have four pinned apps and that's all of my Slack and whatever. Chat chippity. Yeah. And…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: then when I open my browser for the first time after I reboot, it loads all my stuff. Why do I need to open all that?

Mike Smith: mine is basically that.

Mike Smith: I'm like browser and then Slack and terminal and cursor. That's all I got.

Nathan Brady: Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I've never used any of the apps. I don't really understand it.

Mike Smith: You never used cursor?

Nathan Brady: So, what?

Mike Smith: Amazing. What's up,…

Nathan Brady: right.

Mike Smith: guy? I'm ready for this.

Nathan Brady: You ready for this? All right. Let's do this.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: Born ready for this.

Nathan Brady: Here we go.

Nathan Brady: I don't know what that was. And welcome. You're really excited for today's episode, you're …

Mike Smith: I'm feeling fired up.

Mike Smith: I don't know. I had a pretty good weekend and I'm ready for the week. I'm ready for the news. I'm ready to get out there and fight. I'm just ready.

Nathan Brady: I got to tell you something. We've got some news. welcome to the Blues Edition podcast. I'm Nate Brady. That's…

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Mike Smith: I am Mike Smith. Everybody, welcome to Blues Edition podcast.

Nathan Brady: who he is.

Mike Smith: We love having you here.

Nathan Brady: I wish we didn't have to be here.

Nathan Brady: But my god there's so much to talk about and let's just dive right in because I think we've got a pretty big episode today. I want to start with some ridiculousness. let's get the really silly** out of the way. Not that it all isn't really silly s***.

Nathan Brady: But this is some of it. what the hell am I looking at?

Mike Smith: This is makebelieve stuff.

Mike Smith: So if you're not for our listeners only folk Rep.

Nathan Brady: Yeah.

Mike Smith: Ogles I believe is his name proposed a joint resolution bill to amend the 22nd amendment to allow it says Trump but a president is the wording in the bill to serve a third term. And then it goes into some specification about how it has to be non-consecutive. So you can't run three in a row. You have to have two somewhere that aren't connected and then you can run for a third. So it specifically calls out you can't run Obama because he won two in a row. But you can run Trump because he won one, lost one, won one, and then he can have his second in a row.

Nathan Brady: who served a disjointed. Okay.

Mike Smith: And they've tried to make this argument in the past,…

Mike Smith: after Trump won, they tried to make the argument just sort of floating it on Fox News and things that the 22nd amendment is already worded in a way that suggests that Trump could run again because he didn't have consecutive terms. And I think that most legal scholars wrote that off. that's just gibberish. There's no way that you could read the Constitution that way. And so this is to address that. They're going to try and amend the 22nd so that it can be interpreted as you can have a third term under these very specific situations. What's odd is that I don't think anybody's actually dug into it because they laugh about it before they think about it too much.

Mike Smith: I don't know if this means that I could do a Jerry Brown in California and be like, I'm the president, I lose my next election,…

Mike Smith: I'm the president again, I'm the president a third time, I lose the next election, I'm a president the fourth time. I don't know…

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: if Right.

Nathan Brady: that's interesting because what that kind of sets up is a situation in Russia where maybe you could have a handshake deal where, okay, I'm the president, you're the prime minister, the special appointee of the president.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: We're going to do the reactionary Yeah.

Nathan Brady: And we just go back and…

Mike Smith: And it's still like conspiracy theory nonsense,…

Nathan Brady: forth. …

Mike Smith: Because I remember also reading unfortunately I think it was Matt Walsh who said this but I know I'm sorry…

Nathan Brady: I don't

Mike Smith: but he was like the way we do this is before the midterms year of his second presidency. Trump resigns as president, making JD Vance the sitting president,…

Nathan Brady: Okay, sure.

Mike Smith: and then they have Trump become the vice president so that he didn't fill his second term and…

Nathan Brady: Jesus Christ. I mean,…

Mike Smith: then Vance would just pretend he's not the president for I mean, yeah, it's all ridiculous.

Nathan Brady: yeah, it's really stupid. I mean, Andy Ogles, Ugles, whatever the f*** his stupid name is, he introduced this bill and…

Nathan Brady: then he said that Trump needed more time to reverse our nation's decline. which is hilarious because it's saying two things. One, it's saying I don't think you're going to like how the country looks at the end of four years and we're going to try and…

Mike Smith: f***. No.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: blame it on if Biden was so bad that it's still going to be bad. and the other thing was it completely as you said when you introed this segment this is so that any president no they just want their lord and savior to be able to serve at least one more term.

Nathan Brady: But I've got probably good news for most people. I mean, I don't see the Big Mac Diet Coke loving president really making it much longer than this, never mind eight more years. Now, it's true.

Mike Smith: Okay. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I mean,…

Nathan Brady: Only the good die young at the end of this term,…

Mike Smith: he'll be what, 82 at the end of this term.

Nathan Brady: right? that's not to say that should be the reason…

Nathan Brady: why you shouldn't care about this ridiculous proposal. still care about this. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: There are other reasons that you shouldn't care about this particular proposal.

Mike Smith: Not the least of which is this is an attempted amendment to the United States Constitution, which means you need I think it's twothirds in both chambers, the House and the Senate to pass it. And then you need ratification from 38 states.

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Nathan Brady: Yeah. It requires Yeah.

Mike Smith: We're still arguing about the 28th amendment. How are you going to try and get this passed in this economy?

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: No, it's in this. No, it's never going to happen.

Mike Smith: No, that's No,…

Nathan Brady: And it also important to say that this I think was proposed as a repeal of the 22nd and not like a new amendment itself like here's I thought it was a repeal.

Mike Smith: no, this is an amendment to the 22nd which requires an amendment itself.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Yeah. No,…

Nathan Brady: Maybe there were previous Okay.

Mike Smith: because they need to keep it so that Obama doesn't get to run again. So they need to have the 22nd, but they want to have this carve out so that Trump can run for a third one because he's a thing. He's a special little boy.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, I know there have been previous attempts to I'm trying to do some quick search here.

Mike Smith: And I don't think any of those were realistic attempts.

Nathan Brady: There have been previous attempts to repeal the 22nd. but yeah, you're not going to get 38 states to agree on it.

Mike Smith: I think they were just,…

Mike Smith: hand jobs in the same way that This is just Andy trying to make sure that Trump knows that he's his best guy. He's just I meant it.

Nathan Brady: They were hand jobs.

Nathan Brady: No, you really meant All right. I didn't know if you went hand waving or whatever. you actually meant hand job.

Mike Smith: No, no, I meant he's Yeah.

Nathan Brady: All right.

Mike Smith: No, this is just Rep.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Ogle's just saying "Hey, Trump, I'm your guy. I'm the most loyal and I'll do whatever it takes and I'm gonna follow the letter of the law, but I'm your guy." because no one's this is never gonna get a vote. This isn't even gonna go to vote because they don't have the numbers. No Democrat will vote for this. Not even John Federman will vote for this.

Nathan Brady: You said no Democrat, so let's be fair. John Federman could vote for this and that wouldn't fall under your Okay.

Mike Smith: But that's why I included him in his own special car out there because I don't think that John Federman will vote for this.

Nathan Brady: I would like to do with you.

Mike Smith: I don't think Mitch McConnell will vote for this.

Nathan Brady: Let's transition from this got what it deserved which was about six minutes of air time and…

Nathan Brady: then we can move on from this but while we're on the subject of Federman you and I have talked about this I think maybe we talked about it on the pod last week just briefly but we first of all what an a****** but let's have a bet live on air right here when do you think or…

Mike Smith: Okay. What an a***.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Nathan Brady: or I guess let's start with you think Federman's going to become an independent I think Federman's going to switch

Mike Smith: I had that inkling…

Mike Smith: because of recent history with Kirsten Cinema. Obviously, she went from Democrat to independent in Arizona.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Did she actually change her party affiliation?

Nathan Brady: I don't remember that.

Mike Smith: She would have if she hadn't actually officially ended her career.

Nathan Brady: Okay. Sure.

Mike Smith: I'm not running again. but no, she came out and said that she's an independent. she's not going to caucus with the Democrats anymore. And I think it was paperwork that they didn't do.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: But I was thinking the same thing about Federman where I'm like Federman's I think he's up in the midterm, Or maybe he's got two more years. Maybe he comes up in 28. But in either case, I'm thinking that either this year or next year early, he's going to switch to either an independent or more likely at this point given his district is or…

Mike Smith: rather his state is a Republican. I think he's more palatable to a Republican base than Democrats at this point given that he's basically just a con artist.

Nathan Brady: He is basically just a con artist.

Nathan Brady: I think we agree.

Nathan Brady: So, I believe he's going to be a Republican. It's going to be interesting. let's find out when he is up.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Mike Smith: Really quick, top of your head,…

Mike Smith: hot pick. Betterman or Dr. Oz would have been better right now?

Nathan Brady: …

Nathan Brady: okay, I have to say Federman, but I think I'm supposed to say it doesn't matter.

Mike Smith: Yeah, there you go.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, right. I mean, …

Nathan Brady: obviously Federman, we want the guy with the D next to his name, but obviously that is proving to mean absolutely nothing.

Mike Smith: No, it doesn't mean anything in this day and…

Mike Smith: age except for certain representatives.

Nathan Brady: Let me …

Mike Smith: Do we have any Democrat or…

Nathan Brady: let me ask you a question, though. Did you see the vote to get Marco Rubio move through to the next stage of the confirmation hearings?

Mike Smith: Yeah, they just needed 51, right? And it was a lot,…

Nathan Brady: Do you know how many they got?

Mike Smith: It was like 76 or something is higher than dentist 80.

Nathan Brady: Why don't you go higher? Let's play high low. Why don't you Go ahead. Go higher.

Mike Smith: 90. No,…

Nathan Brady: Go higher.

Mike Smith: he got unanimous support.

Nathan Brady: 990. I don't know.

Mike Smith: And that's because who abstained or…

Nathan Brady: That's a good question.

Mike Smith: whose seat is …

Nathan Brady: But it wasn't Bernie.

Mike Smith: Rubio, right?

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: So, he lost his seat. There's a special election in Florida because he wanted to take this job.

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Nathan Brady: Was it Rubio?

Mike Smith: Yeah, it's Rubio. It has to be.

Nathan Brady: Yeah,…

Mike Smith: He's the only one missing.

Nathan Brady: maybe it was. All 99 senators voted in favor of Rubio's confirmation. There was one vacancy in the seat due to JD Vance's resignation in mid January.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: JD Vance. Okay, that makes more sense.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Rubio's I don't f***.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Rubio was a congressman, not a senator, right? Jeez,…

Nathan Brady: I don't remember your Do we know anything on this podcast?

Mike Smith: do we know anything?

Nathan Brady: So I'd like to know why though it went 990 and…

Mike Smith: No, he was a senator. Wild. So in general I think that Rubio's seen as not an obstructionist in the same way that the current ilk of the Republican party are.

Nathan Brady: why weren't there any Democrats that were holding out in protest of this? I mean

Mike Smith: You know what I mean? he's not as bad as Mitch McConnell,…

Mike Smith: which is a strange thing to and he has reached across the aisle. So I think that he's one of those guys that's at least He doesn't have the yuck about him.

Nathan Brady: He does.

Nathan Brady: He's probably the most exper what? He is obviously he was in the Senate. of all, we knew he was in the Senate, but he was on the Senate intelligence committee. so that's probably…

Mike Smith: Right. Got it.

Nathan Brady: where that he has a lot of experience. I think he's probably Trump's most experienced pick for the particular role that he's trying to fill. Right. So yeah,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Little Marco.

Nathan Brady: little Marco Rubio. okay.

Mike Smith: I think that my favorite Marco Rubio memory was when he was talking to reporters outside of Congress he was in the halls and…

Nathan Brady: Really weird.

Mike Smith: he's answering some questions and then Alex Jones is there inexplicably and he asks him a question.

Nathan Brady: I remember that.

Nathan Brady: I remember that.

Mike Smith: He's like, "Alex Jones, forbid pro wars. I got" And the guy goes,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Marco's like, Who are you?" And then Alex Jones "I'm Alex Jones. damn well who I am." And he puts the mic back in his mouth. He's like, "What the f*** is Who are you?" He just walked away,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Mike Smith: What a great clip.

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: Look it up if you don't…

Nathan Brady: I No.

Mike Smith: if you haven't seen it. It's very funny.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. other people look it up. I'm not playing Alex Jones on this podcast ever anyway.

Mike Smith: I know you've seen it. Yeah. Man,…

Nathan Brady: Okay. Where were we with this? What was the point of this? Give me to the next thing.

Mike Smith: the next thing we were It's all a blur.

Nathan Brady: What were we talking about? Nobody remembers. It's all a blur. It's** blur. hey, Trump did a thing.

Nathan Brady: He came to our neck of the woods.

Mike Smith: He did.

Nathan Brady: I didn't like that.

Mike Smith: The bad man came to our home state of California here.

Nathan Brady: Was he raking leaves?

Mike Smith: He was raking the leaves.

Nathan Brady: What did he come for?

Mike Smith: He was trying to help us out…

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: because we don't know what rakes are and…

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: we have millions of square miles of forests. And so He's almost done. he's a little bit No,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah.

Mike Smith: he met with Governor Nuome and they had a very hilarious tarmac standoff. if you get the picture up, it's like Nome's like a fit guy. he's skinny and he's tall and then you have Donald Trump who he's like doing he's leaning forward into Nuome and Nome's just holding his ground nodding and stuff, but they do a handshake at the very beginning and you can tell Nome crushed his hand Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Really?

Mike Smith: because after this thing he's just like my fingers. And you can't tell it from the people who are watching can see the picture that we put up here. You can't tell from this vantage because his jacket hangs forward. So he looks like he's standing up straight, but if you actually get farther back, he's got that thing where he's still leaning forward. It's wild. And I was going to speak about his height because everyone's like, " yeah, he's a giant." And he blow. I'm like this little that but Gavin Newsome's six foot three and…

Mike Smith: Trump's near his height. So I mean Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: I mean,…

Nathan Brady: here's maybe a better image. I'm not sure. let's share this one. You can kind of tell the Yeah.

Mike Smith: this upward angle Makes look like Melania is taller than him.

Nathan Brady: What was he here for? what the hell? Yeah.

Mike Smith: He was here to put the squeeze on. So, he mainly came in here because Gavin Newsome's like, " Remember FEMA? We have that thing. half our state's on fire.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: would be helpful if we could get some of that money to hire more firefighters, get some more water, that sort of thing. And then Trump was like, "You got to institute an voter ID or you're not getting a dime." And that didn't happen. We're not going to do that.

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Nathan Brady: So are we actually let me put up this image.

Nathan Brady: Are we actually in this together? is that accurate? Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I think that the people tweeting with that hashtag in the background,…

Mike Smith: the Palisad Strong, I think those people are in it together. I think the firefighters are in it together. I think that the federal government and the local governments are in it together.

Nathan Brady: I'm really wondering …

Nathan Brady: because Trump does this thing where he calls Gavin Nuskum and he says all this terrible crap and then of course when he meets people in person it's not the same thing right he's not as brazen and…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: ridiculous to their face and then after he leaves sometimes you find out that governors have made concessions or Gavin said I was the greatest president of

Nathan Brady: of all time.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. he put up a truth on his truth social account that was,…

Nathan Brady: That kind of nonsense. I literally have not heard anything about this. Okay.

Mike Smith: mind diarrhea of what happened, but it didn't really say anything. It was just like, " I went there and they need help, but I'm not going to give them help because of how strong we are until they do these other things." It just didn't say anything. I like this picture too because this is after Nuome, he had to go do governor things, but this is Karen Bass sitting here at the table and I watched some of this.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. On the far left.

Mike Smith: Karen Bass, she hates him. It is so funny how much she hates Trump. Karen Bass,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Mayor.

Mike Smith: if you aren't aware, is mayor of Los Angeles.

Nathan Brady: Mayor of Los Angeles. Yeah. You should know.

Mike Smith: And we Yeah.

Nathan Brady: I mean, we got a chance to meet her a couple right after Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. we went to where a business thing, but she went on and had a presser afterwards where she was talking about which is an interesting thing because she's like, "We have funds in California's budget to deal with, fires and emergencies like this." So, we're better prepared than most states for dealing with this sort of scale of emergency situation in terms of just having the funding to deal with it. what we don't have is covering the costs after the fact of property damage that's uninsured. So, you see this a lot on the eastern seabboard where their hurricanes are hitting and insurance companies are no longer taking up policies with the homeowners there.

Mike Smith: We have a similar situation in several areas of California where buyers are going to become inevitable and they're just not getting health or homeowners insurance, fire insurance for it. And so we don't have the money to, help people replace what they've lost. And that's what FEMA's for in these cases. FEMA is there to help get get them to places where they can live safely, when they did they take over football fields that are unused and things like that. But there's also an amount of money that goes to helping people rebuild their lives. And that's just what California doesn't have much of. So she had a lot of words to say about that because you're not withholding, money from California in terms of infrastructure. We're still going to have firefighters and water and all this other stuff, but then you're at the end of the day, you got people who are now homeless and you're unwilling to help them.

Mike Smith: And I'll point out that in Palisades in particular, many of them are Trump supporters. that's where very very expensive right-wing people live. So yeah,…

Nathan Brady: in the house and he's recently come out as a Trump supporter. yeah, I mean it's a very affluent area. so the fact that he's doing this I mean people joke about California turning red. they're never going to turn red when this kind of crap happens,…

Mike Smith: no what we see is we see cycles of this where we have the news stories that run California is turning red…

Nathan Brady: right? Right.

Mike Smith: because X Y and Z and they never come to pass. And then when that cycle is over, we go to the other side of it which is people are fleeing California because of the Democrat strangled hold and the Elon Musk nonsense about we're all moving to Texas and…

Nathan Brady: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: whatnot. So…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: which is it? Are the red people is there red flight or is there a red takeover? And why is it neither? Yeah, there's some of that.

Nathan Brady: It's definitely neither.

Nathan Brady: And honestly, we can all look back to the election that just happened and think there are other reasons why it looked like there was more Democratic support. So, okay, let's move on from this. I just wanted to talk about that real quick. What else we got on the agenda today?

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Mike Smith: I want to talk about coffee. So, where is it from though?

Nathan Brady: All right. I'm actually drinking some coffee right now. So, what do we got? I'm drinking fair trade though. so I don't know if that's what you want to talk I don't this actually small farm in San Francisco believe it or not or near San Francisco.

Mike Smith: That's wild.

Nathan Brady: So yeah.

Mike Smith: Okay, that didn't segue well enough. So, Trump and…

Nathan Brady: Okay. I'm sorry.

Mike Smith: his military forcefully detained and deported a number of people and sent them to Colombia, the country with the Y.

Nathan Brady: Colombia With the O.

Mike Smith: And because it was on a military aircraft,…

Nathan Brady: right.

Nathan Brady: Get out of here.

Mike Smith: Colombia decided, "We're not letting you land here. That's a military aircraft and you didn't give us any prior warning and so turn it around. Get out of here. we're not accepting it." And so Trump gets on truth social and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Right. That makes sense.

Mike Smith: he's all mad. This was over the weekend. He's very angry about this…

Nathan Brady: Okay. Okay.

Mike Smith: because He wants them to be in Colombia because they are Colombians, I suppose. I don't know enough about it, but I'm guessing that these were people who were asked where they came from initially and they being sent back. But who They could have just been Mexicans and they're evil and they don't know where the people go. But then Trump in his fire threatened to impose 25% tariffs on every imported item from Colombia on Truth Social, which is that how we do diplomatic relations or negotiations?

Mike Smith: is an official channel,…

Nathan Brady: But before you get into the next step, it is first of all, no. And it's also important to know it wasn't just tariffs because nobody cares about tariffs. That's only going to hurt Americans and…

Mike Smith: right? Okay.

Nathan Brady: be stupid for everybody. he also said he was going to impose travel bans and visa cancellations for officials. So it wasn't just tariffs. So there was some more meat to this.

Mike Smith: Sure.

Nathan Brady: And was he bluffing? We don't know…

Nathan Brady: because what happens Right.

Mike Smith: Yeah,…

Mike Smith: because Colombia B b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b b basically said, Come to Colombia. We'll take those deported people from you. Take them off your hands." Yeah. Money talks is the takeaway there…

Nathan Brady: Yeah,…

Mike Smith: because like you said,…

Nathan Brady: so they quickly backed down from it and agreed to accept it.

Nathan Brady: But the president Gustavo Petro pro of Colombia did say he was really concerned with the treatment of the migrants especially during deportation.

Nathan Brady: I mean, god damn, we are not looking like a healthy functioning democracy, are we?

Mike Smith: No, it's not looking good.

Mike Smith: And that was the best example that they had. I mean that part of me wants to believe in conspiracy theories. We all love them because they rationalize. They give us a way to think about the world that we're in a light other than it's obviously just happening the way it seems to be happening. So, a part of me wants to say Trump got on the phone with President of Colombia and said, "I'm going to do this. I want you to do a PR stunt and send them back and I'm going to bluster and then you're going to back down because I'm the greatest negotiator ever."

Mike Smith: Doesn't that sound just very very like him?

Nathan Brady: is the president of Colombia bought a billion dollars in Trump meme coin.

Mike Smith: Yes. Yep.

Nathan Brady: Is I think that's…

Mike Smith: Yep.

Nathan Brady: what we're Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yes. That's…

Nathan Brady: This is all starting to make sense.

Mike Smith: where we're starting.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. This is all starting to make sense. Yeah. Trump exclaimed right from the White House that we're once again respected because we forced our military planes into Colombia to drop off migrants and that now we're respected again. Okay.

Mike Smith: I think there's a certain amount of viewpoint in the country mainly from the right who want to see his administration as both effective…

Nathan Brady: Mhm. Okay.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: but also non-military. So they want them to say look at how good he is at getting other people to do what he wants without pointing guns at anyone. and I could see this as a very easy win and being like we already know you're going to accept these guys, but get out there and pretend that you're not going to accept them and then I'll get loud and boisterous and then you'll accept them and I'll get this easy win and you'll get five Donald Trump meme coins. you I mean does that it sounds like a conspiracy theory but it also sounds plausible right could be…

Nathan Brady: Yeah, it does. Yeah, it really does.

Mike Smith: because Colombia is an ally right they're not hostile to us in any way Right.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. I mean, this is worrisome because there we're worrying about hurting the relationships between the US and Colombia, right?

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Nathan Brady: And…

Mike Smith: Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: and we're also that relationship it's not just that whenever you have a relationship like that it affects the entire region in that area and…

Mike Smith: For sure.

Nathan Brady: so this kind of thing is it's just not…

Mike Smith: Right. …

Nathan Brady: how you're supposed to operate business.

Mike Smith: this is send to your enemies, too, You're just like,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Right.

Mike Smith: we're going to be hostile no matter what. So, why would your enemies want to be non-hostile toward you? why would anybody come to you in good faith and try and coming together an actual agreement on something?

Nathan Brady: And so I mean this does also and by the way I was just looking up a US trade in goods and services with Colombia totaled 53.5 billion in 2022 which now that you think about it is not that much because it's less than what Trump made from his memecoin.

Mike Smith: That's the Trump memecoin. Yeah. Colombia.

Nathan Brady: That's it right there.

Mike Smith: But that's year over year, right? that's every year. That's the amount. so the Trump meme coin in five years is going to be worthless…

Nathan Brady: Yeah I mean that was 53.5 billion in 2022 alone right?

Nathan Brady: Right.

Mike Smith: because of rugpull. But, …

Nathan Brady: Right. in 13 months…

Mike Smith: country business though,…

Nathan Brady: whatever it is.

Mike Smith: that's good stuff.

Nathan Brady: I mean and of course it would make and I think I don't know if we talked about this on maybe you and I talked about this earlier today or it would make breakfast just funny. It would make breakfast significantly more expensive.

Nathan Brady: If you start a trade war with Colombia and then coffee goes up, your eggs are already expensive and…

Mike Smith: You go to Denny's for your grand slam breakfast and…

Mike Smith: they're like 4250. Go, what the f***?

Nathan Brady: you're like, where am I? Five guys. What is this? so yeah,…

Mike Smith: That's pretty good.

Nathan Brady: it's pretty stupid.

Nathan Brady: But then to hear Trump supporters "I'm okay with paying more for my cup of coffee so long as this migrant doesn't get to be in my country anymore." is so f****** frustrating.

Mike Smith: Right. and it's been set up for them. it's like Elon had this statement during the election cycle,…

Mike Smith: during the campaign cycle where I forget if he was talking to Time or somebody, but he was like, "The economy is gonna take a big hit before we fix everything." he's like this is a pain that must happen in order to make America great again or…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. I remember that was big news. Yeah. Right.

Mike Smith: whatever. And so this is just part of that pain that we all are going to feel as we make America great again.

Nathan Brady: Right. Right. Sure.

Mike Smith: And so it's proliferated into talking points for the right…

Mike Smith: which and common. just on Fox News. It's like just people think that now. terrible. But I did want to talk a little bit more about this because there's hilarious story going around.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Mike Smith: Have you heard of it's a little company. It's called Tik Tok. You've heard of Tik Tok?

Nathan Brady: I've heard of Tik Tok.

Mike Smith: So it's a popular video sharing application as far as I'm aware. I don't use it. tool. Yes,…

Mike Smith:

Nathan Brady: I've from the Chinese government.

Nathan Brady: It's spiral.

Mike Smith: that's right.

Nathan Brady: Okay. Mhm. Right.

Mike Smith: And they have acquiesced in the past to certain government demands from certain governments. So they're like, don't let your users, that obviously they can't talk about the square in there. If you have a Tik Tok and you try to talk about the square, it's going to get taken down and…

Mike Smith: you're probably going to get banned. it's a thing. and…

Nathan Brady: Remind me to go back to that.

Mike Smith: if you're unfamiliar, look up Tianaan Square 1989 and just I don't know, light reading.

Nathan Brady: Remind me to go back to that after this segment.

Mike Smith: But what I wanted to talk about is that the kids on TikTok who I love their resourcefulness.

Nathan Brady: Mhm. Okay.

Mike Smith: They figured out that the censorship technique that was being used is based on auditory.

Mike Smith: They're using AI to listen to your Tik Toks. And if you're talking about things that are banned, then that's when it kicks in and you get censored and…

Nathan Brady: I see…

Mike Smith: they might ban your account.

Nathan Brady: where this is going. Yeah.

Mike Smith: So the kids are now doing stuff where they're like, "I'm going to talk about my favorite spaghetti recipe." What you do first is you brown the meat and all the while they pick up a piece of paper with written instructions on it about ice is showing up in this area of Arizona that I live in. like it says in city and town, and then they're like, "Here's how you can identify them on This is what their cars look like. Here's how you can sabotage them." Things like that. But they're just talking about not, regular run-of-the-mill things making spaghetti or going to school and just average stuff.

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Mike Smith: I'm like, I love the sediciousness of this. It really ties in with us. I just love it so much.

Nathan Brady: The kids really are going to be all right,…

Nathan Brady: aren't they? that's great.

Mike Smith: My favorite lesson from this was a kid…

Mike Smith: who came out and he says that the ice vehicles that they're using have regular run-of-the-mill tires on them. So they're air and…

Mike Smith: they inflate normal. And he says you can carry around a pair of wire snips just simple, snips. And if you cut off two of their valves, you've completely rendered their vehicle unusable. And they can't really find you because they don't have enough money to do surveillance on these vehicles. Doesn't have cameras running all the time. So, he's like, "I go to school with these in my back pocket. If I see one out front and they're talking to the principal, I just snip off their valves and…

Nathan Brady: That kid is not wise for sharing that information.

Mike Smith: their tires are busted." This kid is very white.

Mike Smith: I will point out this kid is like, "I'm not going to get arrested for s***. I'm just going to deface this, government vehicle." Now,…

Nathan Brady: …

Mike Smith: we're not suggesting that anybody listening do this.

Nathan Brady: no, no,…

Nathan Brady: we are not suggesting, but I do want to point out that regular tires …

Mike Smith: But if you do,…

Mike Smith: leave a comment down below because I want to hear about it.

Nathan Brady: yeah, but We don't do that kind of thing on Please,…

Mike Smith: We don't encourage it.

Nathan Brady: please guys, be safe when you're deflate, when you're walking around out there.

Mike Smith: Out there in the world. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: So real quick, I don't want to spend Listen, I want to preface this by saying Mike and I both work in technology.

Mike Smith: Yep. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: We have to work with AI every day.

Nathan Brady: I mean, this is what happens to us in this field that we've been in for decades is every time the new hot thing comes out, we're stuck with having to deal with it. so when crypto was big,…

Mike Smith: Yeah. When the blockchain was all the rage.

Nathan Brady: yeah, everybody wanted to do stuff on the blockchain. Everybody, and now you can imagine AI has just beaten us senseless. but today something funny happened.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah,…

Nathan Brady: Today we woke up to the stock market crashing. the NASDAQ specifically the tech stocks all the AI stocks,…

Mike Smith: the tech stocks. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: Nvidia and all of that stuff crashing. And why does that this ties in well with Tik Tok and other things?

Nathan Brady: because a Chinese AI startup called Deep Seek started making it was founded in 2023 but it came out with a model recently called R1 that is supposedly better than OpenAI's flagship 01 model and is Mhm.

Mike Smith: it, verify it yourself, and test it. And it's running at odds with a model that OpenAI charges like $200 a month for.

Mike Smith: And it runs for pennies on the dollar. And in many cases, you can run it yourself for free. I mean, the cost of electricity.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Nathan Brady: I mean that is a big cost, just hilarious, but I did want to tie this in real quick with you. You had mentioned you can't talk about Tiana Square on Tik Tok.

Nathan Brady: The first thing, so I got a late start this morning and you brought it up to me. You're like, look at the markets. This is ridiculous. The first thing I said when he told me…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yep.

Nathan Brady: what was going on was, "Ask it about Tiana Square." and then you shared a screenshot with me that basically said, " I don't know what you're talking about."

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. so for people who are listening, if you haven't used OpenAI's chat GPT or anything like this, it has a chat prompt that they run for profit, but they have a free version and obviously it's run by the Chinese government,…

Nathan Brady: It's a hedge fund that actually Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I assume, because everything's run by them, but it's a Chinese company at the very least, although most of those companies was it a hedge fun? so they run their own Deepseek, chat interface, so you can ask it questions. I asked it for instance who won the 1992 election and tell me some interesting things about it spit out a bunch of stuff I said tell me about the Vietnam war and it spit out a bunch of stuff I said tell me about Tienman Square it says I don't know I can't help you I'm that sorry I don't know anything about it so I tried it again I was like here's a link to the Wikipedia article article about Tienman Square what can you tell me about that and it goes I couldn't summarize this article I'm sorry I think it has a blacklist like it won't go to certain

Mike Smith: URLs. and this is my favorite one, I typed, "Can you tell me about the Tankman meme?" And it started typing out.

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Nathan Brady: Amazing. …

Mike Smith: It was like, "Certainly, I can tell you all about the tank" And it got about one line and erased itself and wrote the same, "I can't help I'm sorry" thing at the end. I would not have believed this if somebody told me, but I saw it with my own eyes. It was crazy.

Nathan Brady: so open AAI actually does the same thing.

Nathan Brady: If you're smart enough, you can get it to start responding and then because it uses a streaming technique where it's starting to send the information to you. suddenly something somewhere is triggered whoops and it pulls all of it back. Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Hits a guardrail and…

Mike Smith: Okay, so it's not that crazy that happened, but that was funny. I couldn't believe it.

Nathan Brady: It's funny because on OpenAI it will happen with sensitive things. If you try to get it to, give you schematics for a bomb or something, …

Mike Smith: Yeah. How do I make a Molotov cocktail?

Nathan Brady: it'll be like and you Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: I can't help you with that.

Nathan Brady: And if you trick it in such a way where it starts answering and then at some point it's moderating itself and it realizes…

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: what it's saying is against its rules and then it stops and pull and then erases all of that. But of course it wants to be so quick. You want to have that lightning interaction with the user. The user wants to see this stuff happening,…

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah. It wants to start and then hey mate,…

Nathan Brady: so yeah, really interesting.

Mike Smith: why wouldn't the Chinese company tell me about Tiennaman Square?

Mike Smith: What happened there?

Nathan Brady: I don't know.

Nathan Brady: Yeah.

Mike Smith: We'll research that for another time. 1989 Tiennaman Square,…

Nathan Brady: And we'll put it up.

Mike Smith: Okay, I'll think about that.

Nathan Brady: Maybe we'll do a few Tik Toks on it. follow us on Red Note. we don't have a Red Note, so don't do that. okay.

Nathan Brady: So, yeah, I wanted to touch on that because first of all, I think it's hilarious that the government just turned around, by the way, your eggs aren't cheaper. They're not going to help you at all. They're going to make everything more expensive by deporting everybody.

Mike Smith: That's good.

Mike Smith: Okay. Yep. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: But they did start a $500 billion AI frastructure initiative project called Stargate. and it's funny because the value of all the companies like OpenAI and…

Nathan Brady: and Oracle and Soft Bank were all involved in the valuation of all of those companies just significantly dropped this morning.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. No, I mean the fact I mean we're tech guys. We could spend an hour or two talking tech here, but that's not what probably you're here for.

Nathan Brady: You don't want to hear that.

Mike Smith: But Deepseek releasing this open source model that you can run on your computer and…

Mike Smith: can almost it basically rival OpenAI's closed source costs money thing to run it's all of the tech bros are s*** in their pants and…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Mike Smith: good because f*** them.

Nathan Brady: And here is just what you were talking about. I could picture it,…

Mike Smith: Yeah, there he is breaking ISIS in Kentucky.

Nathan Brady: but that's fantastic. It's so smart.

Mike Smith: Yeah, that was one of them. these ones have been since taken down. but the mechanism of circumventing the censorship of live doing because a lot of this stuff is happening like boots on the ground, right? these kids are reporting this

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Mike Smith: because somebody just drove down the street. And so Tik Tok was live censoring these by, minutes after the Tik Tok goes live, it gets taken down because they said something about ICE or…

Mike Smith: whatever. So then they figured this out and they didn't figure it out until a week later and I don't care if that dict's any good.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Nathan Brady: and unfortunately, this will probably get them working because the image recognition is getting so good that eventually they'll be doing live like image …

Nathan Brady: okay, what's in this clip? And then it'll say, breaking ice in Kentucky or whatever. so that's coming, but the kids will find a way. I believe in them. So,

Mike Smith: Yeah. I mean,…

Mike Smith: it's going to be silly because things that human brains can perceive, especially in niche areas like this, you can train an AI to read text. it is It's an interesting problem. But printed text it's amazing at it can't read handwriting worth a dam. It just can't like it might figure this out because this isn't block text all caps and it can probably give you a gist of what it is with a certainty score of certain amounts…

Mike Smith: but then kids will just start writing in funny ways that humans can understand…

Nathan Brady: We should teach the kids cursive.

Mike Smith: but that the AIs haven't been trained to teach the kids cursive. my god. In 2025, we found a use for it. That's amazing.

Nathan Brady: Let's do it. Okay. let's move on. what else did we want to talk about today? I did want to talk about All right.

Mike Smith: We're still doing immigration. I need to talk immigration a little more…

Nathan Brady: Let's dive in a little bit more. What do you want to talk about?

Mike Smith: because that's what we're all talking about here, ice and stuff. and…

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Nathan Brady: Yeah, sure.

Mike Smith: I have brought it up in the past on this podcast. We've talked about birthright citizenship and the 14th amendment and how it protects that specifically. there was an article written I think it came out today. It may come out yesterday national affairs where somebody goes into detail I wonder who it was should ask but they go into detail making the argument. So it's Peter Shuck and Rogers Smith. I'm not familiar with either of those writers, and it's an article from 2018, but sorry, the subject matter is from 2018, but this article came out today. So, they're making the argument of reading as it originalist. So, for those who don't follow,…

Nathan Brady: Right.

Mike Smith: an originalist would read plain English and jump through hoops to make it mean whatever they want it to mean, so that it didn't mean the plain English version. and I have a few key points for how they will probably try and argue this very old, longstanding, and precedent riddled interpretation of the 14th. So, there's a phrase subject to the jurisdiction thereof in the 14th amendment that they argue is crucial to understanding what they meant when they said birthright citizenship. and they said that that was intended to exclude certain groups, specifically Native Americans born into tribes. that their argument is that's the whole reason that they wrote it that way.

Mike Smith: And then they argue how that interpretation can mean that illegal aliens who are here in the United States illegally who give birth on US soil did not give birth to a US citizen even though the 14th amendment obviously says that in plain English. and so I think that we have the road map. I originally said there's only one way to argue it and that they were going to declare war against Mexico or something and then we were going to say that all South America and so then if you declare war the 14th has a call out for occupation from your enemies in the United States their children are not subject to citizenship and that's called out directly in the 14s what they did I don't think they're going to do that now I think that they're just going to say even though it says

Mike Smith: born on US soil. This weird loop thing is going to make it so that illegal immigrants aren't counted for some reason. It's an interesting article, but I don't know that it'll hold water except with our current SCODas, which of course is problematic. Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: and what's it called? birth rate. He's obsessed with birth rates. And America has a really low birth rate compared to some other countries where I don't know, it's something like one and a half kids per woman or whatever. And the American birth rate is lower than some other countries. And a big contributor to be American birth rate is the 14th amendment. and a lot of people don't realize that people who were born in America they have a real and their parents are and I know a lot of these people actually personally and their parents are immigrants.

Nathan Brady: They have real pride in being an American citizen. And to want to take that away from people and…

Nathan Brady: and what you're left with is strictly no, you have to have generation upon generation of being an American be before you can be to be called an American citizen is not good for the growth of a country.

Mike Smith: Right. No,…

Mike Smith: but it is good for the growth of certain types of people versus others,…

Nathan Brady: Wait. …

Mike Smith: which I think is more Elon's point.

Nathan Brady: this is about the whites.

Mike Smith: This is about the whites.

Nathan Brady: Now it's making sense. Thank you for clearing that up for me. things are starting to make sense here. It's always been about that.

Mike Smith: No problem.

Nathan Brady: It's always been about the whole immigration thing has never been about and I see the people who are full of s*** on I don't use my Twitter anymore but I wanted to respond yesterday to somebody who was like you don't care about the murder of this person and the murder of that person and these vi violent immigrants we need to get these violent people out of our country. It's not about that because as we all know, as we've said many times, as we've linked many times, immigrants, first and second generation immigrants are less violent and commit fewer crimes than American citizens. So, what is it about

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Mike Smith: One of these events that we see of what you and I and most people I think can plainly call acts of terrorism where I run over 20 people with my car or I go to the mall and shoot everyone or I go to what church,…

Mike Smith: mosque, etc. they're always white guys. they're and…

Nathan Brady: They're always fighting.

Mike Smith: usually they're veterans is I think we need to start talking about the other problem here is that we're not obviously getting the support that the veterans need for mental health after they've served probably either during this…

Nathan Brady: I want to make a joke here,…

Mike Smith: but we're going to get cancelled.

Nathan Brady: but it's not a great time for a joke,…

Nathan Brady: but I actually saw somebody say, "Wait a minute. Do you you mean to tell me that veterans didn't know they were DEI hires as veterans are starting to get removed from so there are veterans out

Mike Smith: god damn. That's the thing that I think that everybody who champions this type of thing where they want an us versus them situation doesn't realize and I talk about this a lot but it's that there is no us.

Nathan Brady: You heard them. Yeah.

Mike Smith: It's always them and eventually you're in it. I mean, we see this a lot in the vitrial that we see lobbed against the trans community, And trans people in general. And you have wide swats. Yeah. They like just, tight-knit community who just don't want trans people in society and that's their big thing. And they come from all over. And I remember seeing there was this group that I don't remember the name, but it was a group that basically had joined this fight and they were like, we think we won the change because they banned transgender people from using bathrooms, So they're like, we won this fight, So what's next? But it was a group of gays against trans or…

Mike Smith: something like that.

Nathan Brady: Jesus Christ.

Mike Smith: And then on and…

Nathan Brady: And then what did they lose?

Mike Smith: it was a screenshot from a community message board, right? And they're like,…

Nathan Brady: You're next.

Mike Smith: "So, what's next?" And then someone was like, " You're next.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. you and…

Mike Smith: What do you mean? Did you not understand? you're next." and they're shocked. They're just like, "What do you mean? I was on your side." And they're "You're They were them before. Now you're them." And it's veterans. And it's anybody who doesn't fit into that tiny little box. We're the whitest guys you've ever met.

Nathan Brady: It's funny that you and I talk about this right because we are last on that list right where I mean look at how white I am. I'm blending in with the white wall behind me like no it's coming out from you.

Mike Smith: This isn't light coming out from the window or anything. This is what I look like.

Nathan Brady: I mean, so it's funny that we talk about this as the whitest guys we know. but we feel passionately about it, but at the same time, …

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: my grandfather was an immigrant, came over from Italy. I have Portuguese lineage and Italian lineage and Irish lineage. And at some point, when is enough enough? And now I'm not saying that I'm fighting for this to…

Mike Smith: Right. No,…

Nathan Brady: because I don't want it to eventually get to me…

Mike Smith: no, no.

Nathan Brady: because that probably won't happen in my lifetime.

Mike Smith: We're just trying to point out the absurdity of the argument,…

Nathan Brady: It's absurd.

Mike Smith: I think I put it on blue sky where I was the way that they're arguing this is actually no it was an official stance it was a directive to ICE where they're like if they have documents showing that they're a US citizen ask for their parents' documents because they might not have been US citizens and we might have to because of this interpretation of the 14th you might have to deport them all and I was like where does that stop? if your parents are citizens, then why wouldn't you ask for their parents' citizenship? So forth and so how far back does that go? And it's and we had a really good precedent here from 1867…

Nathan Brady: Right.

Mike Smith: where they had the grandfather clause to try and keep black southerners from voting where they were like you can vote if your parents could vote. And it was like after the abolishment of slavery, obviously, your slave parents never voted, so they weren't. So a free citizen, are not allowed to vote. And that's how they got around it. It's the same thing here. They're going to be like, you're an American citizen. Okay, prove to me your parents were American citizens. They were American citizens. Prove to me their parents were American citizens. they were immigrants. Okay, you all got to go. And they're just going to kick out whoever they want. and we do this every so often. We set these lines of what's an acceptable duration, of your lineage to have lived in America as citizens. and at a certain point you realize the absurdity of it all. You know what I mean?

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Mike Smith: at the United States Civil War, we had decided that any Irishman who got off the boat was an American citizen because we needed them to go and fight, right?

Nathan Brady: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: And this is true of Africans at the time, anyone getting off a boat was an American citizen today because we needed you to go and vh. And so we let in, a lot of Irish, a lot of Italians, like you said, and we were okay with that. Because at the time it was socially needed and now they're like we got to go back six generations if you don't have six generations to prove you're sir

Nathan Brady: I really what I really want is just admit that you're racist. Just admit that you just want whites in America.

Nathan Brady: Just admit this and now we can start the conversation about it.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: we can talk about it. pretending that you want to pretending that okay, there was this one murder, there was this one not all humans are good humans.

Nathan Brady: But if we wanted to deport everybody or a group of people based on violent crimes, I got a problem for there'd be nobody in America because we'd all be gone. Right. Right.

Mike Smith: Also, I'll point out the absurdity there as well…

Mike Smith: because a lot of right-wingers are like these immigrants need to be deported because that is the systematic mechanism for writing this wrong. that's how they see that. And then they're like violent criminals who murder and whatever the systemic mechanism for dealing with them is the death penalty, And we're like, okay, where do you land on, violent immigrant that you're talking about?

Mike Smith: You're trying to tell me that there's this straw man type of like a violent 13 gang member who's killed people are you for the death penalty there or deportation and why no and…

Nathan Brady: 13. We need to get rid of them before we find out that. I mean, that's really what they're trying to say.

Mike Smith: yeah and…

Nathan Brady: Or what they're really trying to say is they don't look like me,…

Mike Smith: unfortunately They don't look like me again.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. boy.

Mike Smith: And we're at the papers, please stage of Nazi Germany Yeah. I mean, that's where we are. we have ICE going around basically with impunity stopping and asking brown people for their papers.

Mike Smith: I don't see how you can read that in any other way. Okay, you can.

Nathan Brady: You can't you just can't.

Nathan Brady: Yeah, I guess Okay, let's touch on a couple more quick things, I guess, before we wrap up for today.

Mike Smith: Right.

Nathan Brady: People have already heard that the US has decided to exit the partnership with the World Health Organization.

Nathan Brady: Today the CDC was ordered to immediately stop working with the World Health Organization. also just a couple of days ago, Trump sent out a memo or an order or whatever it was to all of those health agencies stating that they should also basically go radio silent for at least a few weeks where they are no longer issuing health alerts. They're no longer I mean just really really great stuff. And then by the way, we're in the middle of flu season for the entire country.

Nathan Brady: Health alerts. Do you remember the egg problem that c in Costco that was there's lots of reason…

Mike Smith: Yeah. What was…

Mike Smith: what was happening with the eggs? why are the eggs so expensive? It's not related to health in any way though,…

Nathan Brady: why no no it's not like a bird flu or…

Mike Smith: right? It's just

Nathan Brady: anything like that. And don't worry if the eggs are making people sick.

Nathan Brady: What happened before this administration came in, there's normally a recall, there's a safety bulletin,…

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Mike Smith: Yeah. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: there's whatever. We're not going to do that anymore. So, if you know of somebody that died from eating something bad or the bird flu, let's say, is contaminating eggs and people are getting sick and dying, you're not going to hear about it. So,

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Mike Smith: This is a question for the legal eagle obviously, but I wonder what if there's ever been I mean there have been, but I wonder if there's any ground to stand on starting a class action lawsuit for you deliberately hobbled communications from our health organizations. a bunch of people got sick from eating eggs that was tainted with bird flu or whatever and now you have to pay money to fix things, right? because people will presumably have died from your direct actions.

Mike Smith: So I just seems really dumb.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Nathan Brady: it's going to be bad.

Nathan Brady: So, I don't know. yeah.

Mike Smith: …

Mike Smith: yeah, it's got to be. I think that interestingly, a lot of the big market fowl, I don't have the word for it, but the chicken and egg producing companies out there are doing a really good job right now, basically just putting down any chickens that have any signs at all. And it's sort of like the mad cow disease from years ago where they were just like if your cow in that lot had it all those cows are dead. And they're doing the same thing with chickens which is why eggs are so expensive. You know what I mean? So I think that they're doing an okay job of regulating it at the moment.

Mike Smith: that if the government isn't going to tell people,…

Mike Smith: "Watch out for eating eggs or eating chicken anymore," then they're financial incentives to selling that stuff. Right. Right.

Nathan Brady: I know people libertarians unfortunately that are really for the free market managing them all of this all the health stuff and…

Nathan Brady: there being no board of health and…

Nathan Brady: it's like basically instead of a restaurant

Nathan Brady: who could get you sick and getting an F rating and getting shut down or whatever. Instead, you find out that Mike died from going to, Larry's Hogis and now you go, I don't know if I actually want to eat there." Instead of maybe doing preventative health checks on that and…

Mike Smith: Right. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: then saying, "We're closing this place down before somebody dies,

Mike Smith: I will say and…

Mike Smith: you and I like to rail on this a lot because we obviously share a lot of the same social circles and we know the libertarians we're talking about here but a lot of their arguments a lot of their worldview rather comes from a position of in the best case scenario this will work better than a government agency. using regulations and all this other and that might be true. Maybe we agree with that much but everything else you talk about is reactionary.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: How do you handle something the bird flu outbreak on these known farms? the people who die will show the people around them not to buy the same things they bought. And I'm like, but you just let people die.

Nathan Brady: You let people die for no reason. And then how long before Yeah.

Mike Smith:

Mike Smith: You could have stopped that. You could have not let people die,…

Nathan Brady: If 12 people die in, three states, how likely is it that you and…

Mike Smith: right? Right.

Nathan Brady: I are going to be able to put that together before, …

Mike Smith: We don't have the infrastructure or…

Nathan Brady: another 400 people die?

Mike Smith: the data to be able to say in a lot of ways like…

Nathan Brady: Right. Right.

Mike Smith: what until everyone's been infected with it.

Nathan Brady: Yeah. Yeah.

Mike Smith: You know what I mean?

Nathan Brady: Exactly. it's so dumb.

Mike Smith: So I think that it's so dumb to make that argument. I just hate

Nathan Brady: It's so goddamn dumb.

Nathan Brady: I want to close on this one more quick story to actually close the loop on immigration as well.

Mike Smith: Okay, let's do it.

Nathan Brady: I'll bring this happened today. Florida Republicans at the state immediately I don't know what you would want to call it canceled or abruptly ended a special se session called by Rod DeSantis where Ronda Santis has his own plan that he wants to institute for immigration in Florida and by the way Florida is already having economic problems from the state's own kind of immigration plan

Nathan Brady: that they put in earlier this year, And they're already feeling the pains of the pangs of that. and so now Dantis was like, "Okay, okay, we need to meet.

Nathan Brady: We need to discuss how we want to handle immigration in Florida." And he met with these state senators and they said, "You know what? Daddy Trump's home. We're just going to do…

Mike Smith: Interesting.

Nathan Brady: what Daddy Trump wants to do." So, sorry, Ronald. so I think people who are being hel who are going to be held responsible for the economic outcome and…

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Nathan Brady: the negative impacts of this mass deportation and immigration crackdown in their states their political careers are going to end because their states are going to be destroyed.

Nathan Brady: and so I think Ronald Dantis over here is realizing this isn't a good look for him.

Mike Smith: This is and…

Mike Smith: it's not just there either. there I read an article on Saturday that was talking about the reaction to Trump's u deportation plan and the effect that we were seeing from ICE agents across the country coming out in large numbers to try and start this process. And what it said is that in central California, where, by the way, most of the food comes from, they said that 75% of their workforce did not show up in the second half of last week. And I have to think of something that My grandfather was a farmer when he was alive. and we grew wheat, a lot of it.

Mike Smith: And I remember him saying that he had to get it to market quickly because he didn't want it to spoil, And he says, he goes, "People will only wait so long for certain things." He's like, "You can live without electricity for a long time. You can live without, that, and the other." He goes, "People will only put up with hunger for two days,…

Mike Smith: and then there will be riots." And this is coming from an Oklahoma,…

Nathan Brady: Yeah. …

Mike Smith: mind you. a red voting Oklahoma. So, I mean that at the end of the day,…

Nathan Brady: yeah, it doesn't.

Mike Smith: politics doesn't matter as much as food,…

Nathan Brady: But you know what? These people don't understand. I'm not saying your grandfather specifically or whoever. I just mean it by the time this news gets back to them about what's going on, why are their eggs so expensive or…

Mike Smith: right? Yep. Yep.

Nathan Brady: whatever, it's complet it's a completely different story, they're going to hear about it on Fox and it's going to be for some other because of some Biden era policy or, whatever. …

Mike Smith: You can try to spin it all you want. I'm going I'm telling you now, it doesn't matter what the news says. If you can't get bread, like if you…

Nathan Brady: yeah, for sure.

Mike Smith: if you can't get groceries and…

Mike Smith: you don't know how to feed your family tomorrow, it doesn't matter who you voted for. It's going to be just a bloodbath.

Nathan Brady: And that's it everybody.

Mike Smith: The country will be in mayhem. Yeah, there you go.

Nathan Brady: Thanks for that's a good episode. the bloodbath. and I wanted to say really quickly one more thing. I just saw this news come in that is it ties in Kia the automaker is recalling more than 80,000 vehicles due to the floor wiring underneath the front passenger seat.

Mike Smith: Okay. Motorc company. Yeah.

Nathan Brady: It can become damaged and prevent the airbags and seat belts from working properly.

Nathan Brady: And so imagine not having a regulatory body around that and KIA just going, " we'll fix that in our next model, and that's all they have to do." so thanks everybody for listening.

Mike Smith: Yeah.

Nathan Brady: We could use your help. I don't know what we're at. We're almost at 100 subscribers. it's a silly little number. It's insignificant in the grand scheme of things, but it would mean something to us. So, if you enjoy the show, please subscribe, follow, ring the bell, do do what you would do if I were Mr. Beast, right? What? Do do that stuff.

Mike Smith: Yeah, call us names in the comments,…

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Nathan Brady: Give us Don't do that.

Mike Smith: or argue with me about libertarianism.

Nathan Brady: I don't want you here.

Mike Smith: Do it. Get in the comments.

Nathan Brady: I don't want you here.

Mike Smith: I will argue with you.

Nathan Brady: Okay.

Nathan Brady: So yeah, that's it for today. We actually have a lot more lined up to talk about.

Nathan Brady: So we'll have a full episode next Monday. I mean assuming the world hasn't changed entirely by then, which it very very well might. So I think we're safe for now,…

Mike Smith: Assuming that DEI doesn't cancel us.

Mike Smith: Okay.

Nathan Brady: but they could come for us next.

Mike Smith: They probably will.

Nathan Brady: So all right, thanks everybody. We'll catch you next time. Bye. KO

Mike Smith: Listen what I say.

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